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Sorry, I can't tell from the photos what they might be made of. Where do you think they are from? Are they Asian?
Ah, ok. They have a slight look of English majolica.
Hope someone can help you. ?
Hello Todd,
Look like earthenware to me. With a lead glaze so Julia is right about looking like English Majolica. It is always hard to tell from photo's do they feel light and a little flimsy or strong and hard. If strong and hard could be low fired stoneware. If it is lead glaze would give them some age as lead glaze has been out of use for some time.
Michael
Hi Michael,
They are lightish. But I get the impression that if I dropped one on a stone floor, it might not break. When they clank against each other the sound is not right for porcelain. The sound is halfway between plastic and porcelain. They do seem to have some age. As you can see, one is a completely different shade, more of an orange, so I guess that part of the kiln was a different temperature? I’m not used to seeing Japanese dishes with this finish. Lead glaze, that is interesting.
take it with a grain of salt
The dragon has 4 claws , this is typical for Chinese not Japanese so by looking at them i would guess they are Continental or English probably late 19th to early 20th century.
Carl
Hi Carl,
So, very possibly English or European. Julia may very well have been on the right track. I wouldn’t have guessed it. Could explain why I am not familiar with this type of ware, as I mostly come in contact with Japanese items. Thanks!
take it with a grain of salt
Hello,
European dragons normally have wings, I can't see any wings on Todd's dish but that maybe my eyes. Those Kiln stilt marks do not look European to me. I think they are from Japan and date from the 1950's could have made for a restaurant or sushi shop that's why they are stoneware a bit cheaper to make, but very strong for hard use. Pity the mark is a bit squiffy but it has a distinctive outline shape you might find it over at Gotheborg.
Michael
Hi Todd - I know very little about Japanese ceramics. Have all the bases spur marks? The interior on the four smaller five lobed dishes seem to be imitating a flower/leave design, and the dragons certainly appear more Japanese then Chinese to my eyes. If that's where they originated from then I would guess Japanese, but I could be total wrong!! Hope another of the Japanese specialist can help you with these ?
Stuart
Hi Michael,
So, some differing opinions. I had a feeling these would be a bit of a mystery. They are odd. Of the eight dishes, three out of the four larger ones have the mark. I posted a pic of the best one. It has a shape that might remind one of a stingray or manta ray. Although I have no idea if that was intended. The odd colored one has no mark.
Hi Stuart,
All of the bases have three spurs, except one which appears to have four. Yes, definitely imitating a flower for the smaller ones.
(For items like this I would almost like to use Peter’s service, but I have serious doubts at to whether these eight dishes are worth $12 combined, so financial prudence precludes that option ? )
take it with a grain of salt
It was the spur marks that stopped me from going any further with the idea of them being European but maybe it is possible. They also make me think they have some age, along with that glaze. The shape might be lotus flowers or prunus blossom, I like the way the pollen is done.
Maybe they are some kind of earthenware. If they were made for trade, there might be more around. I think the mark may be your best bet of identifying them, wonder if it might be a restaurant mark?
Hi Mat,
Wow, you nailed it on the head. The link even has a picture of the mark, which I thought looked like a stingray, but is in fact a “chidori” or danto chidori, a bird. All new info for me. And the lead glaze guess was correct also. Using this link and gotheborg, the date is narrowed to 1880-1883. But possibly as late as 1890. Thanks everyone for your help, great job!
take it with a grain of salt
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