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I am hoping I have a nice old Chinese export piece. If so, I would like to know your thoughts on the date and if it is a common form or something more unique to come across? Thanks everyone!
Hi johnshoe, some of the flowers and the form and style look rather European to me.
I agree with Birgit. Unusual style with the indented part. Loosely based on chinese design. Looks to be from early 20th century.
I agree with you both: the flowers look very European and that lower indentation is unusual. However, I think it may be earlier than Mark suggests, maybe late 18th / early 19th c? I feel there would be some maker's mark somewhere on an early 20th c piece and I am not sure that style was still popular then.
Maybe there is a clue in the shape? The handle has that thinner (rather vulnerable looking) lower part where it attaches to the jug. I haven't studied many handles and on a quick search could only find something similar that was Chinese.
Also, there is the high collar above the spout, separating it from the rest of the jug. Could it have been lidded? Do you have a photo of the opening, Johnshoe? Is it glazed?
Not sure what to make of the base; I think the foot rim possibly looks more Chinese than other parts do, but I am not convinced.
@julia Thanks for all your insights. Here is another picture of the foot and a view from the top. The glaze starts about a half inch down into the mouth where you can see the line. I'm not familiar with European styles so this has been very helpful and interesting to get your take. John
I don't know what the others think, but I would say that had a lid. Again, it makes me wonder about a Chinese origin but it is so hard to tell. We recently had a similar topic and I am still finding it difficult at times to distinguish between Chinese and European wares, at least in photos.
I definitely think it is late 18th c poss early 19th. Could be Chinese but there are still the strange flowers and spout, not to mention the indention. I wonder if Chinese handles were fully gilded? This looks like it may have been. Maybe I will do a search.
Well, this was one of the first things that came up - not a gilded handle, but look at the indented shape. Is this one Chinese? The faces look good? Maybe John's is Chinese?
here one made for Mexico market 1790, that in the met museum, John
I can't find any similar Chinese jug with a fully-gilded handle. I looked at European chocolate pots as some German /French ones have them, but I can't find an indented example like John's. So, I am still not sure either way!
Still, if you will forgive the slight swerve off-topic, this was a lovely way to spend a bit of time: https://artsandculture.google.com/exhibit/european-porcelain-of-the-eighteenth-and-early-nineteenth-centuries/oAJSdzif-zsFKA
@julia The jug with the people is clearly Qianlong. I think they have copied a European form and John has the European original form. Looks rather 19th century to me as the handle has survived undamaged despite its vulnerable build.
@john-steward The spout and handle are very similar. Thanks for finding it. I'd be curious to see the foot and the view down inside.
@shinigami If it is the European original would it be more likely to be 18 C if it was being copied by the Chinese in the 18 C ? Or, perhaps the copying could have straddled the 18 and 19th if that is what you were thinking?
Here's one that also has some strong similarities that they refer to as an 18th Chinese export coffee pot
this one also had the guilded handle
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