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Dear all,
on Sunday I visited a seller to add a piece to my collection of Japanese cloisonné. As it had a air bubble in the enamel that was not shown on the online photos I was not sure wether to buy it. At that moment he pulled another piece out of his cabinet (chinese) and showed it to me. In the end I purchased both pieces for the price the Japanese piece would have cost without that bubble.
The small Chinese pot (5.5 inches high) comes from the same collection as the Japanese one which was inherited by the seller. It has been acquired before 1942 (that is when the original owner died in WW2) and there is good provenance for it to have been bought during a trip to Asia in the 1920s.
I am wondering when it was made exactly. Moreover I am interested in when the ormolu mounts were made. Moreover it was not that cheap and I could not find a comparable piece yet, so if anyone finds one, don´t hesitate to post the link.
Regards
Robin
That is interesting Brian as I am sure I have seen the wan pattern on late 19th c pieces.
Robin, I believe ormulu mounts were often French, but whether these are or not, I can't tell.
Thanks, I haven't heard of that.Iwill see if I can find an earlier piece from a reliable source.
Here's one mounted rather like Robins. Maybe it became more frequently used around 1920?
Thank you for the comments. I did some research and found several examples with the same background pattern that are dated late 19. century.
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5712468
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-6093616
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26053/lot/547/
So the background design must have existed before. Maybe someone else knows, when exactly it was established.
Regards Robin
The other place I found some, again very like Robin's, was Mayfair Gallery. They have had lots, some come up in searches on ormulu mounted cloisonné, some are still for sale on their website. The name seems familiar, maybe they have been mentioned on here before?
I would see yours as late 19th c, Robin. Sorry, I just realised I didn't actually say that. The mounts were very popular then, too so it seems likely that is the correct period.
It wasn't easy to find 19th c examples of the pattern on any shape other than this kind of ormulu mounted bowl. I have noticed that before the later 19th c, you don't see the cloud pattern either. I am not saying old pieces don't have background patterns, many do, but they are just not as stereotypical if that isn't too harsh a word, certainly not as noticeable.
I’m not convinced of 19th century. This would have been for French market the cloisonné for that market is wired much finer open spaces and stylized for the French. Later examples mimic that time but the wiring is much thicker not as finely defined and done in hast. The blue enamel is much lighter and the gilding in your 19th century examples is gold not bronze looking. I think it’s a nice piece but later.
It would be very late 19th c, Brian, I was thinking around 1890 perhaps up to 1910. These items may also simply had mounts attached in France - if they even are french mounts - before being moved on to be sold elsewhere.
I was looking around the Mayfair site and found this interesting article on ormolu. I had no idea it was so dangerous!
Just found a box cover, with the same background pattern that bonhams states to be qianlong.
Interesting! It has an unusual design, wonder what it will go for?
@asiarob I hope it goes for buckets and buckets, as that would be a good sign for you.
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