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Dear forum members.
I know this item is not from the area usually discussed here but it's the best place I know to ask.
I got this plate in rather sad condition, it looks better after cleaning and I can see that the level of craftsmanship and detail is way better that other similar items i've seen. I have tried all the non destructive methods of cleaning that i know of, but what appears to be the stain on the silver does not go away, any ideas how to clean it?
How old would you say it is, vintage? Any idea on country of origin?
Thank you.
Dear Spartakos,
First of all do not clean anymore that black is supposed to be there it is part of the decoration. It is called Niello. I have put a link to explain it to you. The faces on your item look Chinese or Japanese on my screen. Can't help you with the age. Why do you think it is plated is it marked in any way ?
Cheers
Michael.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niello
Dear Michael
Thank you for the link, I will study it. The reason that I believe it is plated is that I see copper under the silver at the points where the artist cut deeper into the plate. There are no marks of any sort, the closest thing to a mark would be a strange symbol that does not look like the rest of decorations, it's on the lower part of the jar in the photo. The faces do look asian but I just thought it is the style as the rest of the motif is really middle eastern.
Best regards
Spartakos
It looks middle-eastern to me, too. This may not be useful but it is interesting all the same and alook at the headwear of the man on the front page.
http://omanisilver.com/contents/en-us/d242_Omani_Copper.html
Hi Spartakos -
I would agree with Julia, this looks either middle-eastern or an attempt to copy/imitate such, to me?!
The depiction of the faces, clothes and patterns upon, headdresses, trees and foliage appear to point to that area, and the flowers and full/half leafs upon the cavetto surrounding the main central design are all typical of that seen on Persian/Islamic bronzes.
The mark may/could be an owners mark applied later, often seen on collections of Chinese ceramics in the middle-east?
Stuart
Dear Spartakos,
O.K. if you can see copper there is a very good chance it is plated. Need better photo's the figure of the female holding a vase looks far eastern to me as opposed to middle eastern. But Julia and Stuart may well be correct. I would point out that it is forbidden to show the human form in Islamic countries that's why we see the geometric patterns and foliate decoration so much on ware's from the middle east. Of course your plate might of been a special order for export and that's why it has people depicted. I know it is difficult to photograph shiny things perhaps if you could take the plate outside away from direct sunlight and not use flash the forum may be able to give you a better response.
Cheers
Michael
Dear Michael
You are correct, Islam is very strict about depicting humans. After more search I tend to believe it might be indian with persian theme. Maybe mid 20th century, quality seems to degrade on later pieces.
Best regards
Spartakos
Dear Spartakos,
This scane belongs to İranian culture. A scene from the poems of Omar Khayyam. The master's stamp is processed in İslamic calligraphy. I think it belongs to the early 20 th century. Although the wine, play musical instrument and human description in the Islamic culture is forbidden, you can find them in the works of Iranian culture and in the omar Khayyam poems.
goxu
Dear Goxu
Thank you very much for an excellent identification. I will look deeper with the information you provided.
Best regards
Spartakos
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