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I sold this a year ago after several dealers said it was Japanese. I did buy it in Sagamihara in 1974. One Japanese dealer said Japanese. A local Chinese man said Yung-Ching!
David
I like your bowl! I think Kangxi, not Yongzheng.
It is kangxi for me as well. The paste is white and the symbols at the bottom looks like an conch shell with either a brush or ruyi combination logo. The inner bowls patterns are a crane, a lucky symble (foo) and a floral pattern (lingzhi ?) , while the center could be a mandala ?
The decoration seems cluttered for Kangxi, and the cobalt a bit grey, but it does appear to be emulating a Kangxi design but it just doesn’t hit that note for me. I’m sorry I cannot tell you explicitly what it is. It’s either Kangxi or??
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Jeremy
I would think either Japanese or Chinese late 19th/early 20th. But if someone can find a good authentic Kangxi or Yongzheng comp it would be interesting to see it to compare.
I posted a plate years ago, that I thought was Kangxi, but was worried about the grayish blue. Peter explained that there were 3 shades of blue used at that time, the richest colour we are so familiar with being the most expensive.
For me, there is something still vaguely Ming-like about the decoration, so I would also say Kangxi, not Yongzheng, but I am not certain. I would feel better about it if there were some fritting or less stiffness to the decoration.
I think it is probably mid to late Qing. That said I think there is a small chance it is Kangxi, but as I said the decoration is very crowded, I think Kangxi phoenix’s tend to be more fluidly drawn, these seem very stiff, all of the decorations do, actually. That with the grey-ish blue( I agree with what Julia said) the grey blue is seen in Kangxi pieces, however it is in my very small experience, usually these bowls are less crowded in design
j
@superox I've beee reading other responses on you bowl, and I think my mention of the bowl appearing Kangxi has led everyone to evaluate the bowl as if it was a Qing bowl (with the exception of those who mentioned they felt it could be Japanese).
I can not rule out the possibility of a very elaborate Japanese copy that could be antique, but the bowl sure looks Chinese in design and form.
In studying the design, I think the bowl is 17th c., perhaps a carry over from the Ming into the Qing.
As others have pointed out, the blue is not the brilliant blue that Kangi wares are known for. To my eye, it is more like that of Wanli wares... deep and rather flat.
The design of the bowl is Shou and cranes... a longevity bowl. So, likely a birthday gift for a person of some importance, so the quality of the porcelain would be of high quality, and would lack the typical signs of a private kiln we normally see in non - imperial wares of that time.
The repeating geometry of the design also leans towards that of the Ming. And the manner of rendering the cloud is a Ming design.
Let me say that this is an area that I do not have experience in... I am still trying to learn, so let's hope Stuart can shed some light on this, as I'm sure he has some knowledge on thiis type of bowl IF it is indeed an object of the Ming.
Tim, I am glad you see that, too. I think if it is Chinese, it is more like to be a carry-over because I feel it might look more provincial if actually Ming and there are some aspects that appear more Qing. It would be good to know what Stuart thinks. Hope he looks in.
@musicnus @greeno107 @julia
Hi David, Tim, Julia and all -
The execution of the overall designs is done in a technic called "pencilled style" ...
This painting style was first used on Imperial Jiajing wares, probable late in the period and continues throughout Wanli, becoming widely used in the private kilns ..
It was especially popular on vases and meipings, but I have seen bowls and small jars also done in this style - will try and trace/post some images tomorrow ...
Tim @greeno107 is quite correct, the composition is cranes, clouds and a band of Shou characters. Would also concur with others thought's regarding the cobalt tone which appears very different from that normal seen on Kangxi/ Yongzheng pieces, even in private/provincial kilns - although this could be the images?! ...
Some Yongzheng pieces are known in this style, but I can't recall seeing anything attributed to Kangxi, again will have to check my library/database ...
This painting style is also seen on 19th/early 20th century Japanese wares ...
David, would it be possible to post an image of the interior central design? ...
Stuart
This is the colour, of the plate Peter said was Kangxi. It looks pretty similar. However, colour wasn't the only thing that made me unsure of a Kangxi date: the sprigs on the back are he sketchy, less-formed, rushed-looking type.
Maybe, if David's bowl does turn out to be Yongzheng, possibly the plate is later, too.
@musicnus @greeo107 @julia
Hi David, Tim, Julia and all -
Attached images/descriptions of this ‘pencilled style’ drawing:-
First image shows a garlic-head vase with dragons/clouds, Jiajing mark/period, National Palace Museum, Taipei …
Second image shows a meiping, body with dragon/clouds, attributed to the Chongzhen period.(The drawing of the clouds on this vase are, perhaps, the precursor of those seen on the bowl, although there are major differences in the drawing style, those on the meiping been ‘freely’ drawn showing rather more ‘individuality/movement’, but just my thoughts!) …
Third image shows another meiping, body with peonies/rocks, attributed to Wanli period …
The other three all have descriptions and are attributed to Wanli period …
Still looking for Kangxi/Yongzheng pieces drawn in this style. Will post as/when found …
Stuart
Ming 1449,
Thank you for those pictures. I never thought to look earlier! Very helpful.
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