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Topic starter 25/10/2020 6:53 pm  

I would love to know about this scroll if anyone can give me an idea of age and identify the seals and also hopefully someone can translate the script with any luck. I know nothing about scrolls so I am trying to learn. I think it is on silk because I can see the weave in the material when I examine it closely with magnification even though it feels thin like paper. Since I have never examined one closely before it is new to me how these can look. I find it fascinating how thin the material is considering that it is two layers with the backing included. I am also curious how the painting is fixed to the backing material - is it sown onto that? It seems to be a classic looking scene that reminds me of a plate I have with two people among trees. I do feel it is hand painted, and seems finely done to my uneducated mind.  Thanks for any insights you can provide. Cheers!  John

 


   
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25/10/2020 8:50 pm  

John,

Can't help with the translation, but the first three characters at the top of the leftmost line are a cyclical date "summer of jihai" corresponding to 1839, 1899, 1959 or 2019.  You pick the appropriate date, but I feel it is surely one of the last two dates.

George


   
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Topic starter 25/10/2020 9:34 pm  

@gfhandel  Thanks George! In my infinite ignorance I am going to rule out 2019 and narrow it down to the other three options, with 1959 being the most probable per your assessment. I was actually thinking that the figures had a style I've seen on early PROC porcelains, so visually that makes sense to my eyes. Now I just have to find out which extremely famous artist painted it then!

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 Larry Hill
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25/10/2020 11:32 pm  

Hello John,

This is part of a four-piece silk painting set. Yours is the last one. I can imagine the first three should be spring, summer and autumn. All of them should have flowers and women.

There are two authors for this painting. The painter is Wang QingZhi (王青之). The calligrapher is Cao Yuanru(曹遠如).

The script is started with a poem:

寒香點點動人愁

吟向朔風韻欲流

翠羽一聲斜月墮

好教清夢渡羅浮

This is a poem for plum tree/flower. The author of the poem is 慎德居士. 慎德居士 might be the friend of the authors. The poem used a story from Sui dynasty’s Zhao Shixiong.  Below is a link to a Japanese painting. You can go to the description for the story.

https://ukiyo-e.org/image/jaodb/Yoshitoshi_Tsukioka-100_Aspects_of_the_Moon-a_spirit_of_the_plum_tree_visited_Chinese_poet_Zhao_Shixiong-00032182-020827-F06

The rest is like George says, it’s painted at 己亥年 (...,1899, 1959, 2019). I think this painting is most likely from 1959.

The two seals of on the left side are the seals of the calligrapher Cao Yuanru(曹遠如). the right bottom one is the dwelling name of the painter.


   
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26/10/2020 12:40 am  

This one has more detail about the story. The previous one has no detailed story.

http://www.jaodb.com/db/ItemDetail.asp?item=29769


   
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Topic starter 26/10/2020 1:58 pm  

@larry9999  Thanks a million for all that information, Larry! So very cool to know who the artists were. I am wondering if there is an English translation for the poet? Also, I have yet to find any other reference to the calligrapher you named as Cao Yuanru, but I will keep looking. It would be interesting to know where the other three seasons have ended up. Perhaps someone would like to reunite them.  


   
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26/10/2020 6:59 pm  

Hello John,

The poem was composed by 慎德居士 based on the script on the painting. The real name of 慎德居士 is unknown because it was a pseudonym. There is no translation for the poem online. I can only say that the first two sentences are about the fragrance for plum flowers and winter scenes. The last two sentences are related to the story of Zhao Shixiong. I guess both Wang QingZhi (王青之) and Cao Yuanru(曹遠如) are real names, not  pseudonym

There are three people mentioned in the script.  Poet 慎德居士 composed the poem, Wang QingZhi (王青之) draw the painting based on the poem. calligrapher Cao Yuanru(曹遠如) wrote the script. I think they knew each other. 


   
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