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Topic starter 14/09/2022 4:46 pm  

So, I’ve been trying my luck with a few small online auctions, and I scored this lovely and fairly large (16” tall) bag form vase.  It was very reasonably priced and the photos posted during the sale seemed to show decent quality.

The vase has arrived and I think the quality is far above good, but the strange bag form is making it hard for me to pin a date to the piece - Republic or 1970’s.

I think a translation of the writing may shed light on the artist and date, so help with this is greatly appreciated. 

Anyway, please take a look and share your thoughts.  Thanks!

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So, let me add that I had initially thought the faux wrinkled areas on the top and bottom of the ‘bag’ form were iron brown (like the kind used in late 19th c wares), but it is more like flambé glaze.

Also, the walls of the temple are rendered showing exposed rock/damaged - I can’t say I’ve seen that before. 

The inner vase shows it was hand formed.

 

 


   
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14/09/2022 5:14 pm  

I think the rocks are painted in a early period style not a 1970 way.


   
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14/09/2022 5:27 pm  

the foot does not look like anything i would associate with the 1970s or PROC. the painting looks ROC to me. yet the "diaper" looks 1970s. my guess is that this vase is a studio art work. the symbols at top and bottom do not strike me as ROC. so yes, the script will probably unravel the mystery.

however, the larger point is that this vase is very high quality and its exact age is immaterial in that regards. quality is quality is quality.

that's my .02usd novice opinion and i'm sticking to it 😮

 


   
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Topic starter 14/09/2022 5:50 pm  

I'm thinking the style is inline with Zhang Zhitang (1893-1971), but alas there are several artists that use this method of rendering mountains, as well as many fakes.

The bag form is really throwing me.


   
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14/09/2022 7:29 pm  

It's a nice vase. The quality of the work is good. 

My personal feeling is that it's not Republic period (especially the form) but PROC. Definitely has a market place.

Mark 


   
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Topic starter 14/09/2022 8:04 pm  

@imperialfinegems I’m leaning in that direction, too, but I think it must be a good artist.

I’m hoping someone will provide a translation.  I suspect that will make the period definitive.

Here’s some additional close ups…

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The enamel really falls on the line with Republic to PROC.  Must be 1940-70’s. 

 


   
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15/09/2022 1:21 am  

I personally would see it slightly later, after 1980.  It’s beautifully done, copying nothing and a work of art that has its own value. In the 1980s vases formed like bags were popular in the west, maybe that inspired the artist. 

Birgit


   
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15/09/2022 2:16 am  

I have just bought a typical,  rather formulaic 1970s vase and it is nothing like as nice this. Yours is beautifully decorated. 

I keep changing my mind as to when it may have been made; hope someone will translate for you.


   
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Topic starter 15/09/2022 3:52 am  

Thanks, everyone!  I put it up on Ebay with a very lofty price tag (unless the maker turns out to be famous, then the price is likely conservative).  Maybe a decent offer will come in... or not.  Unlike fruit, porcelain doesn't spoil, so I'm happily enjoying the piece in my dinning room in the meantime.


   
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15/09/2022 6:32 am  

@greeno107 

乙丑年- 1985, 1925.... on the vase.  Jingdezheng ? art studio. 

 


   
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Topic starter 15/09/2022 6:37 am  

@yinchris Thank you!  1985 would seem more reasonable than 1925.  Does the rest of the writing give any mention of the artist or description of the scene?  It's porcelain, not ceramic, so Jingdezheng makes sense for its origin given the quality.


   
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15/09/2022 6:54 am  

@greeno107 

Description of the scene: 江南春色 - Jiangnan Spring , Jiangnan - usually means south part of China- South of the Changjiang/ yantze river.  Read from right to left.

I have problem to find this art studio, will keep trying. 


   
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Topic starter 16/09/2022 3:55 pm  

@yinchris Thank you for the help!


   
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