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Today I visited a little provincial second hand shop, few little items got my interest and I bought them, a lidded bowl (Meiji? Any idea about the mark?) and a sake bottle (19c?). Also would like your opinion on the 2 carved celadon plates, what do you think of those?
Thank you.
The Plate is number 3 is very interesting.
These are just my novice opinions Sparkatos, so please don;t take offence, I am can be embarrassingly incorrect sometimes and othertimes offensively correct.
The lidded bowl in Pic 1,2,3 has a back mark which i would place in the second half of the 20th century. I have checked references but can't find any examples but it just strikes my memory banks as late 20th century.
The interior of the bowl also gives me that impression of a Gold Imari style of the mid to late 20th century, the clean gold clobber, on the exterior just reinforces that impression...for me, in my novice opinion.
The Plate is interesting, and I hope someone can tell you more about it.
The Final item appears like a 20th Century Transfer that has been clobbered. That is a wild guess, and there is stencil so maybe with the transfer and the stencil it might be Early 20th Century.. Taisho.
I have seen your backmark before somewhere, but cannot find it, here are some examples that have that J brush stroke in the signature. The Modern Imari characteristics are similar to yours in some way's.
OLD Marks with that J stroke
1065. Mark: Keida. The mark appears to read "Satsuma" "Keida" with a Kakihan, ie the red mark at the bottom, an unreadable mark of the artist/potter. Tentative date around 1920s.
1217. Koro. Mark is Kyokuzan. Shimazu family crest (mon), a cross within a circle. The characters below read Satsuma yaki with the second character abbreviated. The character to the left may be an honorific and the whole could read something like "Fine pottery of Satsuma". It is not signed but has the seal Ki or Yoshi written in Sosho style within a circle. Early Meiji (1868-1912) period.
MODERN LATE 20th Century
1512. Mark: Jitsu-to, True porcelain. Tentative translation. Japanese porcelain, unknown factory.
482. Decoration in traditional Japanese "Imari" style. Modern, late 20th century.
Decoration in traditional Japanese "Imari" style. Modern, late 20th century
I think the celadon plates are C20th or quite recent - unglazed foot , with false spur marks (applied for what reason , I don't know, maybe just for decoration or nostalgia).
The imari bowl and the small vase also look fairly recent but the photo of the vase is unclear, and we need a photo of the base .
tam
I think the celadon plates are C20th or quite recent - unglazed foot , with false spur marks (applied for what reason , I don't know, maybe just for decoration or nostalgia).
The imari bowl and the small vase also look fairly recent but the photo of the vase is unclear, and we need a photo of the base .
That was my impression with the spurs they looked off but the plate looks fine.
Dear all
I believe you are correct, all the items are modern, lidded bowl however looks to be of good quality, the mark on it has similarity with the one you've mentioned above and the design is rather unusual for 19c.
also there was this fukagawa saucer (early 20c?)
Thank you all you've been a great help.
Best regards
Spartakos
Dear all
I believe you are correct, all the items are modern, lidded bowl however looks to be of good quality, the mark on it has similarity with the one you've mentioned above and the design is rather unusual for 19c.
also there was this fukagawa saucer (early 20c?)
Thank you all you've been a great help.
Best regards
Spartakos
Very interesting, I posted an update in the Fukagawa thread, after finding a reference to such a mark in a blog that listed the Fukagwa ( not your mark on that item specifically ) but a general Fukagawa mark as late 20th century. The main distinction in the mark they listed as late 20th century was the river, it was a solid line, as if they forgot it was a river.
So the Mark is not definitive, You mark at least has a curve in the river, but i just could not say how old that item is. Perhaps someone more confident can tell you. I would be skeptical. There was a boom in Japanese Antiques once upon a time. So i am guessing there must have been a reaction in the Modern market to that.
It is a pretty item and there is a good chance it could be from the early 20th century, but i wouldn't pay Antique price for it, just in case.
Interesting indeed, luckily I've just paid 3 USD for the lot. This item though has a certain quality to it that is not present on modern fukagawa pieces, I own another early century fukagawa and look piece how similar is the pattern that gold paint is applied. Also just found that webpage that lists a mark like mine to late Meiji- Taisho period. Is there any specific clues that made you sceptical of it? I am curious, never knew fukagawa was faked.
Best regards
Spartakos
http://modernjapanesepotterymarks.blogspot.com/2014/12/fukagawa-seiji-and-koransha.html?m=1
It is perfectly fine for early 20th century, the base is fine and the handle, but the backmark according to that blog you posted is 1950's and 1960's or mid century.
It is interesting how fukagawa changed their logo very often, the mountain and the river logo without text seems to be used from 1890 untill 60s according to this website, the only difference I noticed is the shape of the mountain, it gets pointier with more modern pieces. I will try to find similar pieces for more accurate dating, this item looks to be made for export as I never seen something like this used in Japanese cuisine.
Best regards
Spartakos
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