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 Peter Valadez
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Topic starter 28/11/2022 1:51 pm  

I was wondering some opinions on this yellow bowl and vase that came together. I like the bowl but, can't recognize the signature.

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28/11/2022 2:42 pm  

Both the vase and bowl look quite lovely, but there's not enough photographic evidence to confirm authenticity.  If genuine, the yellow Kangxi bowl will bring hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the drilled rouleau vase would still likely be worth $10-15k.

Can you get more pics?  The bowl would likely needs to be physcially inspected, unless you can get these pieces cheap (under $500).


   
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 Ming1449
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28/11/2022 3:22 pm  

@birdchild 

Hi Peter - 

The four character mark on the yellow monochrome bowl reads 'Kang Xi Yu Zhi', which can be translated as 'Kang Xi Imperial Use Made ...

Current scholarship indicates that this mark was used during the last two years of the Kangxi reign and, on ceramics, is reserved for pieces decorated either with falangcai enamelles where the mark is written in overglaze blue/pink enamels, or the more unusual famille verte enamels when the mark is written in underglaze blue. The design on all such marked pieces are floral ...

Concur with Tim @greeno107 thoughts regarding images ...

Stuart 

 

 


   
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 Peter Valadez
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Topic starter 30/11/2022 7:29 pm  

Posted by: @greeno107
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Both the vase and bowl look quite lovely, but there's not enough photographic evidence to confirm authenticity.  If genuine, the yellow Kangxi bowl will bring hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the drilled rouleau vase would still likely be worth $10-15k.

Can you get more pics?  The bowl would likely needs to be physcially inspected, unless you can get these pieces cheap (under $500).

 

Here are some better pics of the bowl. I was able to get this one.

 

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01/12/2022 3:27 am  

I deleted my first post, not because I changed my mind that it is a copy, but my reasons may not "hold water." However, one reason that does is that Stuart says this mark was used in the last years of the reign, whereas on Alain Truong's site it says yellow bowls tended to be from the first years of the Kangxi period.

That does leave a window but from what I read, these seem to be quite large bowls.

The base/footrim reminds me of copies I have seen with Yongzheng marks, but that is simply a personal opinion contributing to my feeling it is a copy.

 


   
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01/12/2022 7:50 am  

@birdchild 

Hi Peter - 

Thank you for the additional bowl images, most helpful ...

Looking at these, especially the footprint, base and writing characteristics the mark, this is not a Kangxi period piece ...

It could be very late Qing/Republic or a modern interpretation of such but, as Tim @greeno107 mentioned, it would need to be physically seen/handled to confirm ...

It's a lovely looking piece ...

Stuart 


   
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01/12/2022 7:53 am  

@birdchild - 

Hi Peter - and with apologies  I meant to write 'footrim', not 'footprint'!!🙄...

Stuart 


   
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01/12/2022 8:41 am  

For my learning.. Is there too much yellow on the foot rim to be M & P?


   
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01/12/2022 9:14 am  

@birdchild First, congratulations!  If you were able to acquire the bowl at or below my price point of $500, I have no doubt that even as a Republic period piece, you've done exceptionally well. 

Is it period?  Monochromes are notoriously difficult to judge, especially using photos.  What I can tell is that the it appears that every detail of the bowl was carefully executed.  However, after taking a bit of research, seal marks are from the Kangxi are associated with falengcai work, as Stuart (@ming1449) made mention earlier.  Yellow ground falencai from the Kangxi exists, for your bowl to be genuine, this would have to be an undecorated example - not impossible, but there is no example that I can find.

I would definately take the bowl for physical inspection by a major auction house.  

There is a weight and feel that experienced collectors recognize, so bring it to Sotheby's or Christie's and have them look the bowl over.

Meantime, there are a few things you can do to better understand the quality, or lack of (if that should be the case).  

1.  Slowly run your finger tip over the foot rim a few times.  Is it silky smooth, or do you notice texture?  If you find you notice some spots with a grainy feel (not necessarily rough), then that is likely an indication of a later piece.  Genuine 18th imperial wares of this size have silky smooth foot rims.

2.  Shine a light through the sides.  High translucency, and even translucency is a good sign.

3.  Study the inside and bottom white porcelain areas, and compare against a white piece of paper.  Use a bright light (preferably direct sunlight) and a very good loop or magnifying glass.  The porcelain should be milky white, noticable against paper.  You should see the firing bubbles, but they'll be dense, but still irregular.

4.  Study the yellow glaze in bright sunlight, too (same as above).  The enamel should look nearly perfectly smooth from arms length, but up close, you should see some variations in the firing....this was a new process, so while it was done with exceptional skill, there should still be some variations in the glaze.

5.  Study how the color of yellow looks in indirect light vs. direct sunlight.  I have never held a Kangxi piece like this, but I did physically inspect a Yongzheng yellow chrysanthemum bowl.  The yellow looked lemon yellow in one light, but in sunlight, it glowed much more richly.  

Anyway, congrats!

Lovely bowl!

Tim

 


   
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For my learning.. Is there too much yellow on the foot rim to be M & P?

That was one of things I mentioned in the post I deleted, but the Sotheby's bowl which is on the Alain Truong site has yellow on it, which I was quite surprised to see.  However, the spillover on that is quite different to how it appears on this.   I won't take up anymore space on this thread by posting a link but it is easy enough to find if you want to look.

 

 

 


   
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