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Topic starter 06/02/2019 11:34 pm  

Hi folks,

Not sure what to make of this. It seems to be a purple glazed receptical of some kind, possibly for incense, or? The shape looks almost like a gourd or pumpkin, with wines and flowers flowing over it.

It is also fairly small, only 8cm.

What do people think this is and how old is it ? It is something I'm kinda tempted to bid on, mainly because I find it attractive, but just want to be sure what I'm bidding on beforehand.

Thanks!

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07/02/2019 2:21 am  

It’s nice and unusual, but the bottom says it’s modern. I’m so weary of these false stickers, they all look as if they‘re written by the same hand. Maybe there’s an expat in China making a living producing them. 

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07/02/2019 2:28 am  

Agree with Birgit. No reason to think its not modern. I wouldn’t bid on it on general principle...with that scam of a sticker. Todd

take it with a grain of salt


   
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07/02/2019 2:56 am  

Hi All,

Looks like a nice old Victorian Cheese bell, with lucky four leaf clovers for decoration, until you take into account it's size. Maybe for serving a souffle? Yes labels are a bit annoying sometimes they are not to deceive can be just the optimistic view of a previous owner. This one is a bit oversize for the pot it's on  written in a modern hand with Biro is not going to fool anybody. A set of these  to serve souffle might be nice  provided the price is right.  As far age is concerned the experts have spoken.

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07/02/2019 3:54 am  

It does not look asian to me - may be a pot pourri holder , because the top is pierced ?

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Topic starter 08/02/2019 4:24 am  

Thanks for the replies. I don't agree about the foot looking new, looks like a fine white porcelain foot to me, appropriate size for something this small.

As for its use, could be as suggested for pot pourri, scented oils or small blocks of incense, or something entirely different. The shape mostly resembles a melon or melon form or perhaps a pumpkin.

Beurdeley mentions in 'Qing Porcelain' that at the mid to end of the Qianlong dynasty and even into Jiaqing, vanity (he uses a better word for them that I can't remember right now) items were produced in porcelain and bisque to amuse the emperor and princes.

What makes me think it could be Chinese is the form, the internal turquoise glaze (which makes me think of Tongzhi for some reason, rather than Qianlong/Jiaqing), the delicate nature of the object. I've seen a couple of other Chinese objects of melons with similar detailed stems as the one on top of this. But given that even though I've tried, I have not been able to find a similar object, Chinese or otherwise, but that could simply be because of lack of knowledge of its purpose.

I've included a close up of the foot rim.

On my way to an antiques fair in Copenhagen, hoping it will yield at least one interesting Chinese item (ever the optimist!).

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in the photo of the footrim , to me the base material does not look like chinese porcelain , it has small pinholes, and the white colour and texture are very different . Also the purple glaze is rough and has many small glaze bursts, which are not usually seen on chinese monochrome glazes.

The purple colour and turquoise remind me of  Victorian majolica wares , and the design is art nouveau -ish , with those sinuous tendrils etc

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in the photo of the footrim , to me the base material does not look like chinese porcelain , it has small pinholes, and the white colour and texture are very different . Also the purple glaze is rough and has many small glaze bursts, which are not usually seen on chinese monochrome glazes.

The purple colour and turquoise remind me of  Victorian majolica wares , and the design is art nouveau -ish , with those sinuous tendrils etc

I've had a hard time myself finding any pictures of purple monochromes. The few I've found are very smooth in the glaze, which leads me to think that this is not a glaze, but rather an enamel.

I agree that there is a certain art nouveauishness over it, then again, a large chunk of the art nouveau decoration style was inspired from Japan and China. It is unfortunate that the item wasn't closer to where I live, so that I could have handled it. Might have cleared up a thing or two.

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