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All of these great posts we’ve been having lately on Japanese porcelains has me very motivated. So, I was at a local antique market and picked up these plates for $20.
Im guessing they’re early 19th c., and although undamaged, you can see stains in the white porcelain (not an old repair) and wear to the gold gilt gourd.
Very deep foot rim.
At first I thought it was a depiction of cabbage, but I think it is thatching material for a roof or for making brooms.
Any thought son the meaning behind the design? Age?
Thx
@johnshoe The idea of a bundle of tea branches seems interesting, but a quick Google search... looks like the leaves are collected in baskets...nothing about branches. My thought it might be thatching also seems wrong from a proportion standpoint... next to a gourd, thatching would be huge, so the design would need to be out of proportion... that doesn't feel like something Japanese artists would do.
At the risk of rambling on.... if a double gourd is about a foot long, then I guess the proportion would make the bundle two feet and a bit more.
Tim, you are right that tea leaves are usually collected in a basket, as far as I know. But that doesn't look like thatching to me, either. (But then, I know less about thatching than I do about tea harvesting.) It looks more like a forest of bare trees, but the proportions and bands seem to negate that idea. What do you think the dishes are meant to hold?
Carol
@cashflowz I'm not sure what the plates were intended for- that might hold the clue needed to figure out the design. They are like shallow bowls, and the foot is not fired perfectly level (they rock), so I think they're fairly early. They seem to compare to a salad plate - about 4" x 4" and almost 2 inches from table to top of lip.
If my theory were to be correct the gourd would probably have to be out of proportion deliberately. At any rate if you want to learn about twig tea here you go: https://senchateabar.com/blogs/blog/kukicha
@johnshoe I might have just figured it out, that is, if this listing is describing the design correctly....wheat sheaf bundles. It might make my plate earlier than I thought, too. Apparantly the following plate came from the collection of the Mobile Museum of Art.
@sharonp That crossed my mind early on, but now that I've been researching wheat in Japan (I'm now an expert due to my vast knowledge acquired in the past 15 minutes LOL), I'm pretty sure it is wheat.
I just learned that Japan has grown wheat for thousands of years because the gluten in wheat makes a popular cultural food called FU (looks a bit like tofu).
I haven't had time to dig deeper, but I'm working on it. However, is it purely a coincidence that Kutani wares that derived from early Arita (Kakiemon) porcelains often bear a mark FU KU mark?
Here is how Fu can be served.... looks like the correct sized dish as mine!
What interesting dishes. They don't look like sheaves of wheat to me, they look more like twigs. The wheat I see growing has straight stalks. Or is Japanese wheat different?
I agree, John, that it is a very branchy depiction. However, now that I've looked up Kakiemon examples, apparently wheat depictions are historically part of the designs used on early wares, but genearlly as sprigs, not sheaves. I also want to point out the change in color, blue stalks with white tops. Looking at photos, I see some harvested wheat that has green stalks with golden heads... similar contrast as the plates.
The example from the Mobile Museum is also branchy looking.. no head/seeds visible.
Is that how Japanese wheat looks? Looking at what modern day wheat looks like... no. However, maybe earlier species of wheat were more branch, less seed.
I'm also looking into what else is bundled in sheaves. Rice is bundled in sheaves. I have not found tea branches, but I've only started to look.
The function of the dish certainly appears to be intended to eat something with a sauce or other liqued given the height of the edges of the plate/bowl.
And now, I think they might be branches (LOL)... here's a plate with the 'sheaf' design sold by Christie's, described as 'bundled twigs'.
Also very interesting is that the lot essay says the design was copied by Meissen in 1730-40, so this is an early design - the porcelain is quite white, although stained in parts, so I guess it could be earlier....seems 18th c. to me.
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