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Topic starter 27/12/2019 12:32 pm  

I stumbled onto what I believe may be a rhinoceros horn boulder seal. It seemed from the listing photos that it was functional object with some significant age, handled and used a lot in it's time. 

It was not until today that I found an archived auction listing showing a seal quite similar dated 16th to 17th century. 

Would very much appreciate thoughts if mine could indeed also be a Ming period rhinoceros horn seal.

It would be great if someone might translate the seal script for me so that I can learn what it's intended use was associated with.

Any help greatly appreciated .  

Here is the archived auction listing showing a very similar seal. 

https://www.icollector.com/16th-17th-C-Chinese-Rhinoceros-Horn-Boulder-Seal_i11258446

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27/12/2019 4:27 pm  

Hi there,

Hopefully, someone will be a long to help you, soon.  With the holidays upon us, the forum is a little quiet at the moment and this type of thing is well beyond me! 

Best wishes,

Julia


   
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27/12/2019 5:09 pm  

Hi George - and welcome to this wonderful forum ...

Really not my area at all - but I'am sure others here will be able to help in due coarse ...

Stuart 


   
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27/12/2019 6:07 pm  

Hi George, 

Welcome to this fantastic forum. 

Unfortunately I am in the same boat as esteemed members Julie and Stuart. Not my area of interest etc. 

Your seal appears to have age related surface ware and I think it may be genuine rhinoceros horn from the suggested period . Perhaps send pictures to Peter for an opinion/further comment? 

I am impressed by your website on snuff bottles.

Mark 


   
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Topic starter 27/12/2019 11:32 pm  

Thank you for the welcome Julia, Stuart and Mark !

I am going to add just one more pic that may help someone be able to better see the characters. 

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Topic starter 29/12/2019 8:21 am  

Turns out that it can be read, ying kui bai yin 英魁白印

But I can not make sense of it in English as there seem to be many meanings for each character. 

英 pronounced in PinYin: "ying". Meanings: 1. a flower; 2. outstanding: 3. Britain

魁 pronounced "kui". Meanings: 1. chief, head; 2. big and tall; 3. the name of one of the stars in the Big Dipper constellation.

白 pronounced "bai". Meanings: 1. white; 2. understand clearly; 3. bright; 4. blank, pure; 5. state or explain; 6. incorrectly written or spoken.

印 pronounced "yin". Meanings: 1. seal, stamp; 2. a trace or a mark; 3. to stamp or to print; 4. to conform.

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Topic starter 29/12/2019 9:17 am  

I found an archaic symbol for yin 印 in an archaic symbols book I have, and the seal was carved in a way that when stamped it is reversed.

Can not find the archaic symbol for kui 魁 but think it is also reverse. Since the other two characters, 英 and 白 are the same either direction, is it possible the entire seal was carved back to front ?

The carver was obviously very skilled, so why ?

 

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29/12/2019 9:27 am  

Hi George 

Very interesting research you have conducted on your seal stamp. 

Hope you can find someone who is proficient in archaic writings and meaning therein. 

Mark 


   
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Topic starter 29/12/2019 11:55 am  

@imperialfinegems

Thank you Mark.

Actually, I am getting a lot of help on two other forums.  

I am told "The engraved characters on the seal are special seal script characters used for making seal inscriptions."

"The first traditional reading (from top to bottom, from right to left) is correct, 英魁白印 , Ying Kui Bai Yin .

"The seal of ( Family name ) Ying Kuibai"

 

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29/12/2019 12:15 pm  

Hi George,

You have already done most of the detailed work in deciphering the characters.  I believe it reads “Ying Kui Bai Yin.” Or translated “Stamped or Marked by Ying Kui Bai.” The key here is the three character Chinese name followed by the verb Yin. 

George

 


   
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