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 Carla Jimison
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Topic starter 12/05/2022 6:14 pm  
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Here is a 6" vase that I'm wondering if anyone can tell me when it was made?

 

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12/05/2022 6:54 pm  

The vase appears to be done in the style of flambe. My understanding is that flambe was first created during the Yongzheng reign. So the fact that yours has an earlier Kangxi reign mark would automatically make the mark apocryphal. My guess is that it was made in the 20th century but whether early or later I don't know and of course I could be completely wrong so let's see what others say. 

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12/05/2022 7:01 pm  

It a nice 19th century flambé as John has mentioned the reason I believe this is 19th century is the filing from the foot drip. The control of the glaze was not perfected in the 19th century but was mastered in the 18th.


   
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Topic starter 12/05/2022 8:06 pm  

I was wondering what caused the chips on the bottom of the vase, filing the dripped glaze makes since. It seems a little strange that they didn't use a grinder to remove the drips. 

Thanks John and Brian for the your knowledge about the flambé glaze and the foot drips. 

I thought it was a nice little vase and worth $25.00 for it's decorative quality. 


   
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12/05/2022 8:12 pm  

@clj Definitely worth $25!

 


   
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12/05/2022 8:20 pm  

If 19th century that bad boy bring you $500+ in right venue.


   
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Topic starter 12/05/2022 8:26 pm  

Good to know, thanks for letting me know Brian!

I had no idea, I just thought it was nice and something I could learn from.


   
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13/05/2022 1:12 am  

The double rings on the bottom have no beginning and no end, I don’t think they are hand painted. 

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13/05/2022 2:00 am  

I am not good judging these glazes, but I think Birgit is correct about the rings and usually late 19th c pieces have 4 character marks. 


   
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13/05/2022 8:23 am  

I think we need a better picture of the base it’s to dark I have seen many rings where you can’t see the end. I’ve also seen stenciled rings from the late 19th century. Really common on the ginger jars. 6 character marks are common I have 2 that Peter dated to 19th century. Can we also get pictures of the top. I have had my red glaze vase just authenticated if the file marks are vertical on the glaze drip it’s a good thing.

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13/05/2022 11:18 am  

@clj 

Hi Carla -

The origins of this glaze type were base on earlier kiln accidents ...

In his letter of 1722, P'ere  d'Entreccolles mentioned kiln failures that had been experienced while producing Kangxi red-glazed wares, saying these were called 'yaobian' ("furance/kilns  transmutations") ... 

The main ingredient was copper, to which small amounts of iron, manganese and cobalt were added. The glaze runs during firing, producing natural mixtures of streaks and mottles of different colours and shades, usually crimson, blue, grey, purple and occasionally green or brown, the varying colours named flambe' by the French ...

I have never seen an authentic Kangxi mark/period example. As mentioned by Brian @lotusblack, better mages are required, including base, footrim, interior, and glaze to try and determin whether this is 19th century or later ...

Still very nice for $25!! ...

Stuart 

 

 

 

 

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13/05/2022 11:41 am  

@shinigami Now that I look at it again, I agree. They look mechanical. 


   
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13/05/2022 11:53 am  

@steve what looks mechanical?


   
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13/05/2022 12:39 pm  

@lotusblack The rings.

It's hard to tell from the photo, but as Birgit pointed out, the lines seem to have no beginning or end and are too even, consistent, perfect. 

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13/05/2022 1:01 pm  

@steve I believe this is being caused by the cameras auto correct and it’s over correcting so I have cleaned up the photo. To me it does have a start and finish but we need better pics. If you look at the cleaned up photo you can see they are not perfect circles.

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