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Hi, I've been looking at this bowl for two days now and am still not sure what to make of it. The painting is done by hand and quite nicely too. These kind of Yongzheng marks are found in Republic. The bottom looks quite flawless though. The seller doesn't know anything about it and has a lot of dubious stuff from household clearances but is reasonable enough to start with a low price.
Birgit
Hi Birgit,
I have been going back and forth with this bowl.
Personally I think it's new. I don't like the bright yellow. Unfortunately I don't know or have anything to compare it with.
The porcelain is or appears to be flawless with no hint of soft flaws from touching or cleaning etc etc. Suggesting it's brand new!
Perhaps if Giovanni, Stuart or Shine log in they may be able to provide you with a accurate appraisal. Or ask Xin?
Mark
It is pretty. I can see you aren't convinced about it, though. I am always suspicious of this mark having had a similar item albeit a small vase. It was clearly 20th c, turquoise glaze with birds on a tree - all very nicely done with the same white porcelain. I remember it didn't attract any interest when I tried to sell it, I think it sold in the end but not for much.
Having said that and explained my hesitation, the foot of yours is far better. My little vase had those telltale little black marks on it and a thinnish rim. This looks far better in that respect.
There is another vase very like mine in decoration on etsy, same mark. I will try to find the link.
Just seen Mark's reply. To be honest, I am inclined to think he is correct.
I must first and foremost state this is not my area.. too my eyes it could be mid 20th century possibly earlier. The work that went into painting the branches and such is quite nice. However as Mark points out there is very little wear. The yellow doesn’t seem to harsh to be republic, but I am only just entering the period myself.
I know I haven’t been much help but for me, spewing out a few words on a piece and seeing the response is learning. 😊
jeremy
Thank you all, I think you’re right and will skip this unless it’s still at €10 at the end of the auction. It’s a pity, because it’s really well made. If the painter was courageous enough to mark it with his name it could be a nice modern piece. But they still put their best efforts into making doubtful copies.
Birgit
@shinigami I not claiming to know what goes on in the heads of the artists making modern fakes, but the bowl has scholarly merit, and for that reason I think it is not a modern copy.
We know that the Yongzheng seal mark was used on Republic wares, which stylistically this bowl can be attributed without much doubt. So, to encounter a Republic period porcelain without signs of handling is not out of the question, but let's set that aside for a moment.
With finely potted Republic porcelains, the paste is fairly translucent, and the photos seem to have a glow...I think that is the light coming through the porcelain and making the yellow really pop out. I see this as a good sign.
The use of iron red with fine details is tricky, and the detail of the birds and flowers in each roundel is very well executed. Not your average artist made this bowl.
The artist seems to have a knowledge of Chinese rebus, messages in the design. The scene of the lotus and kingfisher show the lotus in all stages of life, a symbol of rebirth and spiritual enlightenment. The other panels seem to share similarly complex rebus, none of which offer much in the taste of European/Western buyers.
I know the fakes are getting really good... I bought one last month because it was not too expensive, large, and really well executed (right down to the silky smooth foot ring). But, generally as you know, the fakers either copy known famous designs, or create fantasy design that make little sense.
This bowl follows a common Qing design of a 4 round paneled bowl, and uses designs that convey sophisticated meaning through the use of Chinese rebuses. Well rendered and apparently made from fine materials and glazes.
In the absence of being able to handle it (and perhaps discovering a fatal flaw not shown in the photos), I like it and would have no trouble attributing it to Republic period.
This one sold by Christie's with famille rose panels and additional decor, quite a bit difference in the decoration, but uses the same 4 round panel design. It is a Republic period piece with a Daoguang mark, and in my searching of Google for just the past few minutes, I have seen perhaps 10 different variations of decoration and marks so far, which suggest there is a lot of variation in how this type of vessels might have been decorated during the late 19th to early 20th c.
This one is a bit closer....stamped Qianlong iron red mark....
Hi Greeno,
thank you for a wealth of information! I think you have a point there, the painter seemed to know what he did. To actually handle the bowl would make it much easier to judge the age. I try to buy it if the price is ok, though, as someone here expressed it so nicely, my luxury allotment for April is already spent.
Birgit
Just to add a bit more on this, I have done some more research trying to find similar items. I still feel this could be like my miniature, one of a group of nicely painted, thinly potted wares from the late 20th c often with a strikingly bright white colour.
I found a few similarly shaped bowls, note the flaring rim, but also some vibrantly coloured items like my blue vase and this bowl. One bowl even had decorated roundels, but they are all decorated very differently:
Some didn't sell,
https://www.tooveys.com/lots/344156/a-chinese-porcelain-tea-bowl
others did:
https://www.catawiki.fr/l/20201145-porcelain-bowl-with-yongzheng-mark-china-end-of-20th-century
Interesting. None are as nice as Greeno's Republic examples but they do share the shape of this yellow one and the bright colours which seem maybe a tad garish for Republic?
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