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Hello members,
I've bought this footed dish at a Swedish online auction, mainly because it was beautiful. Since I'm still a bit inexperienced, I wanted to ask advice before I make a bad mistake or end up with something fake (although I'm fairly sure it isn't a fake, but it is always better to ask).
The footed dish is 24cm in diameter and 6.5cm high.
How old would this be? I was thinking perhaps early 19th century or maybe mid-late 18th? I've not been able to identify the bottom mark, doesn't look like a reign mark I've encountered before.
What do you think?
Thanks!
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Hi,
That is a lovely bowl. Bearing in mind that I am not anything like as knowledgeable as other members, my feeling is that it is a 19th century bowl, possibly Daoguang era? I say that because it is very nicely painted, nice white glaze, clean foot rim. I feel as the century went on these bowls got less dainty in many respects. The mark could be a studio hallmark, they were used then although I think they are more often seen later?
I did wonder if it was made maybe early 20th c/early republic but the shape seems wrong for republic and there is no grit on the foot rim which seems to occur in the later 19th c early 20thc.
Having said all that, I am probably well-off the mark, but someone will come along and correct me!
I like it a lot; the bats are beautiful.
Best wishes,
Julia
What a beautiful bowl. I would have bought it too. To me it has a Guangxu look, but that’s just a feeling. They produced a lot of mediocre export items in Guangxu but also some really beautiful and refined pieces. If it’s still an unsolved riddle until next week I can try to find the mark in Davison‘s mark book when I get back home.
Birgit
What a beautiful bowl. I would have bought it too. To me it has a Guangxu look, but that’s just a feeling. They produced a lot of mediocre export items in Guangxu but also some really beautiful and refined pieces. If it’s still an unsolved riddle until next week I can try to find the mark in Davison‘s mark book when I get back home.
That would be awesome! Thanks! 🙂
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Your dish is lovely and has beautiful soft green, iron red bats,gold leaf rim all consistent with items made in the early 20th century.
Nice mark to reverse, but I am not familiar with said. Perhaps shin and or others may be able to determine.
These examples have been overlooked up until recently.
Mark
This is a really beautiful bowl and I think it dates to the C18th, the footrim and base are very clean , as Julia noted and the skin tone/buff foot looks like many C18th export pieces. The decoration here is much finer than is seen on many export bowls from the C19th, the detail on the grasshopper and insects is excellent , imo, and the bats on the outside are rendered very well. I suppose it could also be a good guangxu copy , as shinigami says.
The mark says ' *san*feng' , according to my wife , who is chinese, but can't read the ancient characters/script style. The third character could be 'tang'. San is mountain and feng is wind, so it has some kind of artistic or poetic meaning , I guess.
tam
I think this is a lovely bowl. The decoration is excellent and I loved the grasshoppers. I have several footed bowls with a similar shape but with a very different type of decoration. All have monochrome robin-egg blue interiors with a more elaborate exterior decoration. I'm attaching some examples. . The first bowl has a Tongzhi mark and the others are all thought to be nineteenth century as well. Your bowl is very different. However, I would think it is probably nineteenth century as well. I'm far from being an expert on markings. However, the mark does not look like any of the marks of the different Imperial reigns. I wonder whether it is a factory mark which I believe were common in the Republican period. However, whatever the date this lovely bowl is almost certainly not a fake. I would love to own it!
Errol
Hi iluvatar,
unfortunately I couldn't find your red seal mark in Davison's book. There are marks with similar details that Davison dates to late Qing or Republic. The top left symbol is a mountain (shan) and possibly part of a potter's name as it was in the other examples in the book. The mark on your picture is upside down and has to be turned by 180 degrees.
Best regards
Birgit
Birgit
Hi iluvatar,
unfortunately I couldn't find your red seal mark in Davison's book. There are marks with similar details that Davison dates to late Qing or Republic. The top left symbol is a mountain (shan) and possibly part of a potter's name as it was in the other examples in the book. The mark on your picture is upside down and has to be turned by 180 degrees.
Best regards
Birgit
Thanks for trying, Birgit. I also went through the list on the watersilkdragon site, but no luck there either.
I expect the bowl to arrive late next week, and will then take some better pictures of the footrim, etc.
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The mark says "Zhong Shan Sun Shi". Zhong Shan is the name of a location. Sun Shi means family Sun. (Private mark)
Tongzhi/Guangxu era.
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Thanks, Xin, that is interesting.
Would the family have commissioned this bowl rather than being the people making the bowl?
Julia
Just thinking; it would be good to have a thread or a section where we can store marks like this for easy future reference.
Julia
Thanks, Xin, that is interesting.
Would the family have commissioned this bowl rather than being the people making the bowl?
Julia
Should be the family who order this. But I'm not sure. I will do some research and give you feedback.
www.wyssemaria-art.com
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Thank you. When I tried to find the mark, there was such little information about marks of this type. Whenever they were mentioned, usually as studio marks or hall marks, there was hardly every any translation of the mark or information about what these meant.
Best wishes,
Julia
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