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I find Nabeshima very difficult to date. I have some genuine ones that are 200 years old, which I initially thought were modern. Here are three more that I found recently. A well-known pattern, yet the flowers on these are drawn differently than on examples that I found....link below. The detail is very good. The back seems ok for Edo. One thing I wonder about is about 80% of the way up the dish and in the center. The underglaze was given room to incorporate the enameled flowers overlapping the branch, yet the flowers were not brought all the way up. Maybe I am nitpicking. IÂ don't know... Â
The last two images are comparisons, front and back with two different Edo plates.Â
Thanks, Todd
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Hi Todd,
I am not quite sure what you mean about 80% up etc, but I think there is a clear difference in quality (porcelain and decoration) between the one you have used as a comparison and the three you found. Are they printed at all? The backs look a bit like they may be.
I also think one of the three you found is better than the others, too - the lower one, it is less smudgy and better balanced/detailed.
I also find it hard to judge age with nabeshima because they look so new and fresh even when they are old - I feel these three are lacking that?
Julia
Hi Julia,
I see what you mean about the bottom one being better. It has more defined, darker lines in many areas. I hadn't noticed that.
I was also wondering about possible printing on the reverse. I studied the backs for a bit before I posted and don't think they are. All three are different.Â
Two of them have some obvious, but not extreme, warping...not perfect circles. And two have kiln grit on the inside of the foot while the other does not. I'm always happy to see warping because its usually a sign of age.Â
My guess, at the moment, is that these are Nabeshima-style, not Nabeshima. Maybe late 19th Arita. Almost surely, the museum piece is older and these are "in that style". The branches on these actually have more detail than the genuine one, but I agree the overall painting is not as good.Â
Below is the area I tried to describe, in which the museum piece seems clearly better....
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Ah, I see I thought it was that area but wasn't sure. Interesting how it looks like the leaves were done first then the branch and then the flowers. In the other it looks more like the branch was last and flowers first. Not that I am aware it matters, I just think it is interesting.
Is the border around the foot printed? I would say the bases look ok for later meiji and yes, they are "in the style of" and also pretty. 😊Â
Hi Julia,
I'm sorry to say I changed my mind about the back. It IS printed. It is colored-in and extra flourishes have been added here and there, but its printed. The border of the foot is probably printed also. So, a printed back and a hand drawn front. Â I do still like them 😊Â
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