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So we can now say mirror cloisonné did exist in the Qing Dynasty as I found this pair label Qing from Allain Truong.
So this is a blended enamel pair from Christie’s look at how they are labeled very interesting.
@lotusblack Every book and even an expert has told me personally that blending enamels is extremely difficult to fire and to control in the kilns it is very time consuming and takes more firing and stages
The blending of enamels on genuine antique cloisonne was very complex, as your reference books have stated. However, modern enamels made from a variety of products. and modern kilns capable of computer controlled temperatures (and can even vary the temperatures during firing if needed) can produce almost any type of color blend your heart desires. The fact that your enamels show 'blending', which I'm interpreting as the variation of light and dark pigments that produce a somewhat grainy appearance, does not prove quality nor age - there are plenty of post 1950's pieces that demonstrate the same effect (and perhaps even those made in the 21st c pieces).
Keep in mind that the enamels alone are not sufficient justification for determining quality or age, neither. Take a look at the wire work and the soldering of the handles. Wire work is still done by hand, and is extremely difficult.
I've circled in red just a few areas that show some weak points.
Compare to this late Qing / early Republic Chinese work, what I would consider a typical circa 1900's example.
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/25219600_a-pair-of-cloisonne-enamel-vases-republic-period
The wire work is very tight, and the colors are crisp.
Now, if you think the piece is Japanese circa 1900, ignoring that Qianlong marks were not used on Japanese Ming-style cloisonne, then look at this example with a Ming mark.
The Japanese experimented with Ming-style champleve and Cloisonne during the late 19th c. and early 1900's, deliberately making the pieces look older than they actually were. They DID NOT use gold gilt, but rather left the copper exposed and highly patinated. Nevertheless, the wire work was always done very well.
@lotusblack Here's the link to that pair of ewers.
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5435071
You really think your vases are similar to this pair of ewers? The colors? The wire work? The rendering of foo dogs (shishi)?
@greeno107 I actually think the Christie’s pair are blah. I’m trying to figure out the time period the blending was started and ended. As I have mentioned I can find examples of blending used in the past but I find no examples of it used on and modern pieces so if I can find a modern example I can research better. I actually believe my vases are more attractive than some of the antique pieces. I still believe experimenting was done in the Republic period and in the 1980. Or is this blending actually a new technique being used. I know mine are not older than 20th century due to the mirror pair. I also believe it doesn’t matter on the age once 20th century because the value is the same. This is strictly research the more I understand the more opportunities I cross my path.
So I had a dealer look at these vases yesterday with the hope of a potential sale he has been collecting and selling Asian art much long than I have so I was interested in his opinion I let him know that the opinion of others was modern. After inspection with his trusted loop he said they were not modern and suggested I should get them looked at by a more credible expert. His determination was pretty simple. First he pointed out that at one point the vases were gold gilded but since then was polished off not uncommon in European households I had missed the areas that still had gold gild on it. Second he pointed out that the wire is bronze and has bronze disease the other thing he mentioned is the vases were not fired in an electric kiln due to the burn damage on the base of one of the vases. And that the handles designs are chiseled by hand and not pressed as for the age he thought at least before 1900.
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