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I bought this vase cheaply last year, then quickly decided it was modern when I got home and not worth posting. But now I look at it again and I am unsure. Sometimes I can go back and forth on a piece multiple times....something I assume does not happen to professionals except in very rare cases. And then it gets annoying not knowing...so here it is. Has a small repaired chip on the rim, so this is no bank breaker regardless ?
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
It's a modern Chinese vase, export after 1970s.
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Yes I agree , it's modern ..... if you look at how the faces and figures are painted , they are kind of blank and expressionless: faces on older vases and items are usually much more lively and expressive,
and the interaction between the figures should be more natural and well-composed. The figures on your vase seem randomly placed.
There is a book which some members here may have, and which sounds very useful, on dating chinese porcelain from faces.
Also I think the foot of your vase looks new-ish , the way it is flattened , and the colour of the unglazed part.
tam
Hi Tam,
according to Tommy Eklöf, Dating Chinese Porcelain from Facial Features these faces with the elongated eyes and the modern "makeup" look could be dated around 1970-1990. The book is indeed very useful, price is now at $120, but if it helps you avoid buying certain pieces it pays off soon.
Birgit
Thanks Xin, Tam & Shin,
Now I can stop wondering about that vase. With the chip it is virtually worthless, I will give it away. I am running out of space here anyway ? . Need to unload some things, but with the price of Japanese items depressed right now, I figure its better to hold onto most of it for awhile. I really appreciate the replies.
Best, Todd
take it with a grain of salt
I have few things like this, that i wonder what they are 🙂
Like this, It appears very modern on the inside and the back looks very modern and off the assembly.
And this Satsuma, it is not normal. Looks 1960 but who can say.
hi Short dong
the blue and white covered bowl with the qianlong mark looks to be 1970s or 80s , the other one I have no idea
tam
Thanks Tam,
It is new and polished on the inside so i knew it had to be new, that and the stamp like back mark. However it also looks old when it is standing with the lid. So it has always puzzled me. I think the second one is a very modern earthenware reproduction of old satsuma.
I found this youtube video by tommy eklof about his book : Dating Chinese Porcelain from Facial Features and Adornments , it looks like an amazing resource, very expensive at $100 used, $120 new, but totally worthwhile as an investment
tam
I like Tommys code 🙂
I love the dutch accent, when i was kid we used to watch an weekly TV programme about a dutch artist who drew watercolours. This is back in 1980's 1970's.
I watched the 1st five minutes of the video and ...wow. He has come up with a pretty amazing system for dating. The problem for me is I rarely run into Chinese pieces, the places I go receive shipments directly from Japan. So, occasionally there is a Chinese export piece mixed in, but mostly its Japanese. Even so, I am tempted to buy this book anyway. Thanks for the link, Tam.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
I've watched 4 of his videos on youtube about the book, and his delivery is kind of slow but I like his system a lot , and he seems to pinpoint the dates very accurately - I think he said it took 7 years' research to put the text together , and I can believe it.
tam
Great find Tam.
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