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Hi,
Is anyone familiar with these pieces?
Thank you
Sally
This is the mark on the back. Thank y’all
I think that says nian zhi as appears at the end of reign marks meaning period made but I may be wrong. I have not see them out of the reign mark context before.
I think Sharon P is correct here. Probably Korean but I am unsure. My korean friend had been offline for a week!
Mark
I don’t think they’re Korean, either, because (1) the markings on the saucer that seem to purport to be Chinese characters are just fanciful impressions, (2) as Sharon points out the mark on the bottom merely says (and the form of the two characters is not convincing) “made in the year of”, and (3) the human figures don’t really look Asian. Not the product of a Sinosphere culture.
No, it isn't a convincing mark, I should have made that clear and said that it is attempting to be nian zhi which is pretty meaningless on its own.
It would be interesting to see the others in the set. I am not sure they are European, they look modern so would have to be marked in some way that shows their origin. Unless of course they came to that country as part of someone's possessions from a country where items don't need to be marked with origin unless they are being exported. Does that still happen?
Maybe Austrian, agree they don’t look very Asian.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
there is some writing on the saucer, although it looks odd.
These are being offered for sale and were purchased at an estate sale, as they say. Probably impossible to find out where they were made.
Thanks for everyone’s help,
cheers
sally
Hi Sally,
The first two letters are Dai Nippon. Used primarily during the Meij period 1868-1912. However it was commonly used right through to the late 1930's.
The way that the calligraphy is written is a bit odd. As is the general decoration. It may not be Japanese but a copy as such. Or perhaps from the 60's/70's.
Strictly speaking the script from the Meij period was written right to left. After 1912 it was written generally left to right. Yours starts left to right with the other letters jumbled.
So best wait for others to chim in with their thoughts.
Mark
Mark, I don't think there's a Dai Nippon 大日本 hiding in that nest - I think it's really someone's impression of what Chinese characters are supposed to look like.
Sally, if we had seen these two cups with the Fu Man Chu-type characters first, it would have been clear from the beginning that this set did not originate from east of the Suez. Chinoiserie, perhaps, but not Chinese, Japanese, Korean or Vietnamese. They do look like good quality porcelain, though.
John
This is just about to end so may not be visible. I am not saying this is a direct comparison but the faces are not dissimilar. The mark on the back, is Haviland & CO, Limoges. They clearly made chinoiserie and produced modern Chinese style pieces.
Basically, I am also moving to thinking these are probably european. Underneath the first are modern plates, cooies of ones I had hoped to buy about a year ago - I posted them on here, but they will be gone.
Julia's on the right track! I looked at the eBay examples she posted, and there was a link to another item that is very similar to Sally's set, described as "porcelaine de Paris" and dated to around 1900.
John
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