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 Preston Barski
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Topic starter 30/08/2024 7:59 pm  

Hi all,

I have a curiosity I'm not familiar with. I found this today during a job run I had up north. Anyone know more about this piece? 

It's curious since the design is heavily washed away but the scaring is still there allowing for a surface repaint in gold to happen again. There's a small hole on the side of the one vase, prolly fell or something at some point. I can't really make out how old this is either but it has a cut mark along the foot rim. I may have it restored if it is older than 20th century. 

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30/08/2024 8:26 pm  

Need to see better pictures but these could be Kangxi Period vases


   
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Topic starter 30/08/2024 9:19 pm  

@lotusblack More pics attached. 

The design scar is really intricately made all around the vase. It's also uneven at the foot, has a nicely lighter than expected weight about it too, weighing in at 1445 grams (3.3lbs), when it's typically at least 5lbs+ for more recent pieces like this size. The wear appears to be pretty consistent for a 18th/17th century piece. 

I can attach more but 12 is already a lot for one post. The scar is really tough to see without light so this is the best I can do currently. If you do need more, feel free to ask. 

 

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30/08/2024 9:25 pm  

Yes to me this is Kangxi period vase


   
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Topic starter 30/08/2024 9:32 pm  

@lotusblack 

I took another look at the foot identification forum page as well, and the 18th century Langyao foot is really spot on to this vase's foot.

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How exciting on your input too!  I'll have to get in touch with a few conservators for the repair next after I submit it over to Peter next for review. 


   
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31/08/2024 6:44 am  

Let us know what Peter says. Period black glazed Kangxi objects are rare. Most were reglazed later. 


   
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31/08/2024 10:50 am  

To me the footrim has the brownish "compressed sand" look of the late 19th century. Also the glaze doesn't stop properly at the bottom like it used to during Kangxi. What a pity someone broke an ugly hole in it for making a lamp. Please let us know Peter's opinion.

Birgit


   
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31/08/2024 11:09 am  

The vase is rather large for typical Kangxi period mirror black.  The rim of the vase has also been ground down flat to fit the lamp base.


   
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31/08/2024 12:24 pm  

 

A good test to determine Kangxi from Kangxi revival is black glaze Kangxi porcelain will have a brown slip and glaze so if you see the brown slip it’s a good sign. Here is a photo to show what I am referring to.

 


   
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Topic starter 31/08/2024 1:43 pm  

@lotusblack thanks for the insight, the photo got lost it looks like


   
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31/08/2024 2:58 pm  

My feeling is later 19th c, too.


   
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31/08/2024 4:07 pm  

 

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Here was that photo that did not go through.


   
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31/08/2024 4:59 pm  

@pbarski93 

Hi Preston -

I would concur with Birgit @shinigami William @william and Julia @julia ...

The shape, proportions and the 'ghost - images' left from the overall decoration would indicate late 19th century, probably Kangxi revival, IMO ...

As with others, please let us know Peters views on this once received ...

Stuart 


   
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Topic starter 31/08/2024 6:52 pm  

Hey all,

Appreciate the comments and inputs. Learning a lot with this and hoping to compare some examples in between Peter's review next. I should have something back cross the next week or two to update on this topic. 

When I settle in tonight from my job rums I'll comment some more. Very appreciative of everyone's input! 


   
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31/08/2024 7:58 pm  

I would be interested in seeing this repaired with a gold leaf pen. It’s really hard to date monochrome keep us informed either way it’s still a steal.


   
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