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Hi all,
I was looking at this plate on Catawiki. Described as Ming period:
But in my opinion, the reference from the book included on that page is not very close. The carp look so much different. The lot closed at €551 and did not met the reserve price. Does this mean other people also did not believe it was a Ming piece? Or are Ming pieces like these not so valuable? When searching online I think blue and white with copper red is pretty rare in this period. I don't know too much about the Ming period, so maybe some discussion about this can help me get an idea of this kind of pieces.
Sorry I dont know much about ming wares etc. This would be I believe for Stuart aka Ming1499.
The seller shangri-la antiques is a well-known and respected dealer.
The only thing I would add is that this plate is very small. The larger, the better and of course more costly in my opinion.
Mark
I see, just 14cm, that is just a saucer. That must be indeed a factor. Thank you, did not see that. Looking forward to some replies of Ming experts.
Hi Janneke -
I've looked closely at the images/description posted and would agree with the attributed dating given, this dish looks fine, IMO ...
Underglazed red was notoriously difficult to control and was largely abandoned after the Xuande period -1435 ...
It was still rare in the late Ming but was, in conjunction with underglazed blue, used occasionally on 'ko-sometsuke' pieces of the 1620's ...
The differences in the carp drawing noted is undoubtedly down to different artists, and the underglaze red tone/colour due to firing conditions ...
The piece itself has a small base hairline crack, small rim chip and numerous glaze imperfections, especially to the exterior. This may have been why it did not meet it's reserve ...?!
As mentioned by Mark, the sellers are respected dealers ...
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
Thank you for explaining this. Along with Marks comment it's all making more sense to me now.
Thanks,
Janneke
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