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@webboy Thanks! A perfect match. Elegance Auction had a terrible reputation for selling reproductions as genuine, and now I see they are permantly closed.
Seeing this, I am just as inclined to think my teapot is a fake as being Qing or Ming given that their reputation.
I find the French design to be an important clue, and I bought it marked as French for $45, so I think this direction is worthy of further looking into.
But, thanks for putting this thread back on track. Â I lost my head earlier, and for that I am sorry.
@ Greeno107 I've no idea what that top chimney is for. It was just a picture I came across when searching the internet for similar shaped ewers. I posted it because i thought it was interesting this shape has been adopted from China who possibly adopted it from the middle east. But you can always send an email to Joanies to ask if she know of a reference for such ewers since she say it's Ming.
@avatar That's a thought. Surprising to me that someone from their auction house does not participate here in the forum.
I see there have been some criticisms of their items, some justified, but I think the forum is as good as any place to mount a defense of item descriptions, especially since I think most buyers relying their own experience/kmowledge rather than the title on an Ebay listing.Â
Has anyone spoken with them? Was it constructive?
So, researching the shape, I believe it is more commonly referred to as 'light house', so this is not a teapot, but rather a coffee pot, or perhaps a chocolate pot.
Here's a similar form, but in Imari, attributed to 1725.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/520658406897753454/
Perhaps the use of monochrome blue and the more iron rich paste is why Joannie's attributes the piece to the late Ming. I had at least considered the possibility of 17th c. early Qing, because of the popularity of monochrome during this period.
The extended neck seems to made that way to house a perculator in the French enameled metal pots. Perhaps not understanding the function of the French form, the Chinese copied a French metal pot and made it in porcelain....my pot is simply too small to house a perculator.
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here is how french coffe pots work used to work
https://frenchgardenhouse.com/blog/how-to-make-coffee-in-a-french-coffee-biggin/
What an interesting thread! I also came across french coffee pots last night after seeing Mark's post and was struck by the similarity in shape - aside from the fact that part of it is used to percolate. It made me wonder when the Chinese started drinking coffee; I never think about the Chinese and coffee.
I came across another similarly shaped Ming example (as before, not saying this is Ming) so it seems likely the shape was refined possibly in response to demand from the west. I read how the Dutch had to send pictures for Japanese potters to copy for the coffee pots they produced.Â
I imagine the original shape was influenced by the dallah. The details of spout and handle differ but the body shape of swollen area topped by high neck is arguably a linked concept.
I really like these old French coffee pots, since I am here, I will look out for them.Â
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I have look through my library and references but, as stated by others, this vessel shape is  unknown from the 16/17th C so can not be Ming ...Â
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’Coffee pot in European silver shape, porcelain with cobalt glaze and gilt bird/flower decoration. China, Jingdezhen kilns. Qing dynasty, 18th century, H. 26 cm’.
This is the closest example to the one posted I have found, although the handle is angled to the body so placed somewhat differently ...
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