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Hello, I need some help with my new aquisition, is it some kind of Ming eartheanware ? Looks like that to my untrained eye. Hope it is not Obama period 🤣 🤣 🤣
Kind regards,
Michael
Probably from the mid-20th c. and made to look like it was buried. If you look near where the foot rim meets the body, you can see some bright orange clay/sand/dirt. I'm not really sure what the material is, but it was very popular to 'bathe' Chinese porcelains and artifacts in that material during the mid-20th c.
A deceased friend of mine who worked in China during that time as an American actor on Chinese commercials brought back containers full of such objects.
Ironically, some of the pieces were quite nice looking, but I have found it near impossible to remove the staining that this orange clay material causes.
@greeno107 Thank you for the response, i remeber Peter saying the same abut orange footrims, on this note, could this bowl have the same story ?
Thanks and a happy new year !
Michael
@nmh The bowl appears to be genuine Ming 15/16th c., and I do not see the same 'orange crud' that I see on your jar. I've put the two together and circled the 'crud' that I'm talking about.
Your jar also has a brown earthenware look to it. Again, a lot of mid 20th c. pieces were being made because of the sudden interest Tang and Ming wares at the time. It seems unlikely that it would be a more modern copy (post 1960) since the economics would not support it (genuine pieces of this quality are not expensive).
I suspect it is also possible that is Ming, but just 'aged' to make it more convincing to Western buyers...these items are fairly common.
Perhaps someone will post a genuine one for comparison.
You lidded bowl looks like it’s Thai to me 15th century.
Vietnamese or Thai in my small eyes
In my opinion the lidded bowl is Thai 16th century. They come in underglaze blue and underglaze black. If you google for Sawankhalok pottery you might find a few more.
Birgit
Thank you everyone for the help !
Regards,
Michael
Here is the bottom of mine, I broke the top and glued it back together, could have been worse, I dropped it on the top of dining table and not the floor. It has been posted before and the old ones are not expensive, I bought this in Penang Island, Malaysia, close to Thailand in any case, it was 1992. My garuda is from Thailand too.
I use the vent hole behind the rider for joss stick incense.
So, I'm clearly wrong on this one, but in my defense, none of the genuine pieces you've posted have that red clay/dirt on the outside surfaces.
I do see these Thai pieces being sold by a guy at the monthly antique show in South Florida for $200-600, depending on size and overall condition. So, is there such abundance of these objects that nobody fakes them? Seems a fairly lucrative business if people are actually paying the prices that a modern kiln could be make knock-offs.
Is that red clay normal for Thai pieces? It looks just like the stuff put on fake Chinese pieces to my eye.
On my small Thai collection there are different colored bottoms, most are grey or brown, one is reddish. I think it not only depends on what kind of clay they used but also on where the item was found - under water or buried in earth.
There are a lot of these lidded bowls on the market. It looks like they are still found in South East Asia, can be bought cheaply and exported without problems, so there seems to be no need for faking them.
Birgit
Here are some pictures I took in the National Museum Bangkok. Really beautiful Sawankhalok examples.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
@nmh Michael,
Your bowl is in all likelihood late Ming Swatow / Zhangzhou.
The image below is from "Zhangzhou (Swatow) Ceramics 16th to 17th Centuries Found in Indonesia" by Sumarah Adhyatman.
(see bowl bottom far right)
Kaolin
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