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Hi Todd -
This vessel form/shape is seen on Yuan and early/mid Ming pieces, attached images of two examples of type held in the Gugong, Palace Museum, Beijing ...
However, I have never seen this central overlapping petal/leaf on a Chinese Longquan piece before, and the pale bluish glaze tone is also most unusual for such types? ...
These Longquan pieces had an enormous influence on the potters/kilns they were exported to, been widely copied in the Middle/Near East, throughout South East Asia and also Japan ...
Japan especially produce very close copies, in terms of form, shape and glaze tones, both of Song and Yuan/Ming wares ...
Stuart
Hi Todd, Al and all -
The forms/shapes of Longquan pieces produced in the Song Dynasty, especially the Southern period, are general smaller and are usually covered with a lighter bluish/green glaze. Such wares conformed to Song ascetic tastes ...
It was only during the Yuan dynasty that much larger pieces, dishes/bowls and vases were produced, mostly covered in various green glaze tones. These were predominantly for export to the Middle/Near East but also India, Africa, the whole of South East Asia and Japan ...
Copies of Chinese Longquan glazes types have a long history in the countries they were exported to. Some articles on/ images of such attached ...
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
Thanks so much. Lots of good information. Seems there are many origins and possibilities. My best guess, although not based on too much, is Japanese Edo. I guess this is a difficult area. It is a nice piece, regardless of age/origin, for my taste. I assume its not modern. I may put in a modest bid.
take it with a grain of salt
That celadon piece would most likely be Chinese and probably date to the Ming dynasty IMO. Glaze color and texture, etc. is correct. I've found comparable examples. Is it on sale somewhere?
Hi Todd and Cory -
Certainly not 16th century Ming, the decoration, glaze tone and inclusion exterior ridge/line towards the base discount such an attribution ...
Throughout the 15th century incision remained the most common method of decoration, but the Longquan potters/kilns seemed unable to match the blue/white wares from Jingdezhen and quality gradually deteriorated towards the end of 15th century. The decoration become more schematic/simplified, the body thicker, the glaze thinner and more transparent and the designs hurriedly executed ...
Stuart
Then maybe it's Ming 14th century or perhaps even older than that?
Hi Todd, Cory and all -
As mentioned, the central overlapping petal/leaf design is, as far as I'am aware, unknow on Chinese Longquan pieces and the tone of the blueish glaze, along with the exterior ridge/line excludes any attribution to Song, Yuan or Ming ...
I have through the published Longquan dishes in the collections of the Topkapi Saray, Istanbul, the Gugong, Palace Museum, Beijing and also the Sinan wreck, datable to 1323, and have found nothing comparable - so far ...
I know very little regarding later Japanese copies of these wares, so will defer to Todd's thoughts on a possible dating attribution ...
Stuart
A Longquan jar with with the exact same tone and texture as the piece in focus. The tone of the glaze piece in focus of the piece in focus is correct. Just because there are known published Longquan pieces with the same design of overlapping petals does not mean that it does not exist. I still think that this piece is Chinese and most likely dates to the Ming dynasty. What is the piece described as by the seller??
Here is the listing:
take it with a grain of salt
Thank for sharing. I got a very nice high value Yuan Longquan gourd vase in from Japan last year with a light blue glaze misrepresented as Korean by the seller. Tone is slightly different but the unglazed foot-ring shows the same white (sand-coloured) paste as the plate on eBay.
The lotus petals, especially those on the bowl, posted are very stiff and stereotyped, totally lacking the individualality, subtletie and freedom seen on authentic Song, Yuan and Ming pieces ...
Very difficult to comment further, as the single image blurs when trying to enlarge. One would need to see additional exterior side/cover, interior bowl/cover, footrim edge/base images, including close ups, before anything else could be said ...
Stuart
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