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Hi everyone, this is my first post
I am newbie in Chinese Art and considering to buy some porcelains for investment. I already pick some items from online openmarket. I need helps to identify the genuine and value,
1. Ming Blue and White Kendi Ewer with floral design, Height 20 cm
2.Ming Blue and White bowl and cover box with floral design, diameter 21 cm and 19,2 cm
3.Small Doucai Fish, with Chenghua Mark, diameter 10,5 cm
4.Celadon Fish Dish, with four unglaze fish, diameter 22 cm
5.Qing Blue and White Cover Box with Carp design, diameter 19,2 cm
Any thoughts about their age, authenticity and estimate market price would be greatly appreciated .
Many thanks in advance
Best Regards
Wisnu
Hi Wisnu,
Welcome to the forum!
I don't know if it is genuine, but I rather like the little pot with fishes. I am not certain one sees such prominent chatter marks on qing pieces, except maybe very early on? It will be interesting to hear what others think as I also need to learn more.
Generally speaking, I won't be of much use as these are not things I know much about. However, I know that Chengua doucai pieces are widely copied and I am inclined to think yours is one of those.
The other piece that I find suspicious is the celadon. There are a couple in the V & A with 4 fishes, one them unglazed like yours. I am giving you a link so that you can see the differences. The pictures enlarge well. Maybe yours is a different period or something, but I am not convinced by it but would be very happy to hear otherwise.
Julia
https://collections.vam.ac.uk/search/?q=longquan%20celadon%20fish%20dish&page=1&page_size=15
Back in the 90s, the British Railroad Pension Fund did something similar to what you wish to achieve by purchasing Chinese antiquities for investment purposes. I believe they made a profit by holding the items during a 5 to 10 year period. You would do well to research their methods and closely follow their plan.
The pension fund bought only from the most reputable firms or auction houses so that they could be assured the items had the best chance of being authentic.
They paid for expert advice to guide them in their acquisitions.
They paid attention to the the provenance of the antiques because any future buyer would only pay top dollar for items with unimpeachable provenance.
I would strongly suggest that you allocate $5000 - $10000 dollars to have a comprehensive plan developed by an expert in the Asian antiquities field that focuses on what antiques would appreciate the most over a 5 to 10 year period. This expert or others (for a fee) should help you identify & research specific items for acquisition. I think it will be important to establish a reasonable purchase price and have the fiscal discipline to not exceed the price threshold for any item.
It would be fiscally prudent to allocate a small portion of your net worth for this investment; say limit your commitment to only $500,000.
Hi! Sorry for late to respond
Dear Julia Thank You so much for the thoughts on the fish pot and celadon plate. I checked the information in V and A about celadon dish, and I agree that unglaze fish is different from my picture.
William thank You so much for deep and complete suggestion about investment in Chinese porcelains.
But what I meant by investment actually I simply thinking to buy 2 - 3 piece chinese porcelains with possibility to resell it with better price in the future.
That is why I need help to identify authenticity dan market price of these pieces. So I could decide which ones to buy.
Many thanks
Best regards.
Wisnu
Hello,
The Longquan bisquit decorated bowl with fishes and lotus petals could possibly be authentic but it could also possibly be a later copy. Your bowl have a particularly fine glaze without flaws and in a sought after color and since examples with four fishes are rarer than those with only two fishes it could have fairly good value.
The blue and white kendi could also possibly be authentic. I'm not sure. It would date to the later Ming.
H Wisnu - and as with Julia, welcome to this great forum ...
The blue/white kendi is a later reproduction, the composition based upon/coping that seen on known early Ming, Hongwu period, examples but the overall shape/proportions, painting style, motif detailing, glaze tone and finishing of the footrim/base appear, from the images, to be all wrong ...
The same can be said for the other pieces posted, all are later copies of known types/motifs ...
Just my opinion and, as always, subjective base on the images provided ...
William is quite right, buying art purely for investment purposes requires highly specialist advice and knowledge, and to do such brings its own, and a totally different set of criteria, as opposed to those who acquire art to collect or deal in ...
Stuart
Hello
Dear Avatar and Stuart, thank You so much for all the thoughts, I will take it as part of lesson learned in learning Chinese Art. And reconsider about buying Chinese Porcelain for investment. As a beginner, I still need to learn a lot.
Avatar, you are right, the kendi ewer in tokopedia is exactly the same piece from my picture.
Best Regards
Wisnu
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