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Hello guys how are you doing? Today we have this dish with ming style decorations, do you think it's genuine? his current owner claims it came from a collection of someone who recently died. so I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
thank you 🙂
Chianghua blue and white with mark:
Sorry to keep mentioning you, but If you have any idea about the authenticity of these dishes I'll be so much thankful:
@julia @shinigami @lep @johnshoe @ronm @sharonp @short-dong @greeno107 @jbeer2121 @brettm @john-steward
let us wait for the opinions to come! can't help here, I'm still a grasshopper 😀
@lep hh, I myself at some point got so much confidence but with so many sophisticated fakes, I lost it. I'll try to rebuild it step by step.
These look very interesting, Just for a second I had thought the first bowl was a french faience. I wonder could it be older than Ming and Yuan. The second plate has a very familiar scene, i have seen before.
well, second I think it's 19th/20th cent japanese, if it is, maybe no money there.
I have found 2 copies of the crab and fish plate, one below, the other sold by Rob Michiels, both identified as Kangxi. I think possibly that might support a later 19th c date for yours. Yours isn't Kangxi but you can see how it could be a 19th c copy by comparing the styles.
I couldn’t find any Ming example to compare with only Yuan fish dishes but I don't think this one you found is from that period. I am sure Stuart will know for sure. Here is a kangxi example:
Regarding the Japanese charger, do you have any picture that shows the whole base including the sides? Very often the sides were decorated but sometimes printed, that would effect the value. I don't really like the spur marks, so would like to see the whole thing.
To be honest, I would find it a bit of a risk at that price. It looks large, so shipping would be awkward and I am not sure how much appeal it has. I would want to get it for a lot less.
I once had a late 19th century copy of a Kangxi fish and crab plate. It was very finely potted and looked totally different from your bowl. The chips make me think it could be stoneware underneath. And I doubt it’s Chinese. But that’s just my impression.
Birgit
The look of the chips is certainly suggestive of earthenware of some kind, as Dave suggested, which is why I was rather non-committal with my argument for a revival piece. If that isn't dirt on the chips, then it does seem faience-like, but it seems odd that there are no chips around the rim.
Maybe the chips are deliberate to make it look old, but put in a place where it doesn't impact the visual appeal.
ps sorry for constant editing, this was so poorly written!
@sadog95
Hi Ibrahim -
The painting style, overall composition, individual elements within, cobalt/glaze tones and footrim/base indicate this is not Ming ...
Concur with Julia and Shinigami, it's copying a well known Kangxi pattern but not Kangxi either ...
Whether it is a late 19th century copy or, as suggested, a European take on such I lack the knowledge to say ...
As for the second Chenghua mark piece.again I would concur with others, this been Japanese. As to attributed date, not really my area so will defer to the Japanese specialists here ...
Stuart
Dear,
To me this plate is clearly Kangxi. The pictures are really bad so that adds to the confusion. The painting and base leave me no doubt that it is though. Not one of the best painted though.
best wishes
Freek
The second plate is definitely Japanese and 19th century.
The other dish I also think is highly probable to Kangxi period. But it's as already posted low quality.
Mark
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