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Hi I've got another one for you! What do you think regarding age? I see a number of these out there mostly labeled "Yuan-style" but none with a base quite like this. Let me know what you think, thanks!!
@julia haha I agree! But didn't know if they made later but still antique reproductions that are collected or are these just super modern pieces that are pumped out...I see some decent results for similar pieces so I wonder is this what people are paying for modern pieces or are they under the impression they are older?
That site isn't working when I log in, but this style of vase is very attractive and makes for a good decorator piece. I bought a large pair once for £60 intending to make lamps out of them. Of course I never did, so I sold them at a local auction and nearly got my money back. Maybe I should have kept them a bit longer. 🤔 😉
I could be wrong about yours but I am sure Stuart will be a long and correct me if necessary. 😊
These are not Yuan vases but poorly made mass production vases worth nothing.
These types are currently flooding the market.
Mark
@imperialfinegems interesting... do you think the prices these are getting i.e. $500+ are solely for the decorative value or are buyers under the impression these are older? Genuinely curious...
I think they think they are getting a bargain....in reality they are getting fleeced as these are easily and cheaply made for next to nothing.....maybe $5-10....
Actually Peter's addressed this exact issue i think last week in his Patreon post.
Mark
@kaypeyerson
Hi Kay -
Concur with Mark and Julia …
This is copying a authentic, well known Yuan dynasty motif, but everything about it is wrong …
Early 21st century, at best …
Stuart
@kaypeterson Peter included a segment on these in his video last week. As others have noted, the market is being flooded with them.
@steve thanks…I saw the YouTube video. What I got from that is that there are a bunch of shady auction houses that are pumping out hundreds of fraudulent pieces on a weekly basis.
my confusion was around “yuan-style” pieces from reputable auction houses clearly labeled 20th century that seem to get pretty decent results….I didn’t know if the buyers were thinking these were early 20th century and so possibly had some antique value or were just buying them purely for decorative value with the knowledge that they could have literally been made a week ago…
https://www.bonhams.com/auction/21777/lot/4547/a-chinese-blue-and-white-porcelain-jar/
Im assuming most of these were part of a larger estate and were just taken in with everything else but here’s an analogy: you can buy fake old looking “African” masks at hobby lobby for $10 that are mass produced in Indonesia…I don’t think these would ever be offered at auction and they certainly wouldn’t get $1000+ so there seems to be something else going on here
what it really boils down to is I am trying to better understand what auction results truly represent when looking up pieces and if the results for some items are truly based on real market demand with an accurate understanding what the piece is or something else
@kaypeterson Some modern stuff does have a higher price for decorative value and some legitimately antique pieces have little value, like Chinese Export, partly because the Chinese have little interest in buying back that part of their patrimony at exorbitant prices (yet). Some things that are pricey now, were cheap in the early nineteen-seventies, like Chinese Export, too bad that we also liked to have shelter and food in the nineteen-seventies and when I did splurge, it was for books. No one ever thought new releases would ever be around 30 or more. Peter is right, buy because you like it, not for investment and if it does increase in value at deaccession, good for you, a bonus benefit. Peter has also said in the past that there will always be a market for truly superb items, as some of our members acquire for their collections.
@kaypeterson That's a good question; I don't know. I wouldn't buy them. Are Doyle and Bonhams still reputable? I know the auction house industry is going through tough times.
@kaypeterson This is an interesting topic and we have discussed it a few times here in the past. There are definitely various grades of newer reproductions. Most are mass produced using modern equipment. But some others are made with more traditional practices. There is some debate amongst collectors whether or not the more carefully made examples deserve some credit and should be valued more highly than a typical repro. Some people point to high end Republic pieces that were the reproductions of that time which are now highly valued in the antique market. They argue that today's high quality reproductions could be similarly valued several decades down the road. Others see no future value in any modern reproductions beyond being merely decorative regardless of their quality. It's a matter of opinion, and like always the market is ever shifting and rather unpredictable, so really there's no telling what the consensus will be in the years to come.
I can't help thinking some high prices for questionable items is money-laundering.
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