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Hello I was hoping someone could help me with the age of these vases, also what the mark on the bottom is. It's a stamped red mark that I thought was a tongzhi mark but didn't seem to match up entirely. Any info is appreciated, thank you.
Hello,
I can't read the mark on the bottom, but I don't believe it is "Tongzhi" mark. To me the vases are from Republic era. I hope somebody else can provide more insight.
Good luck!
Kelly
I also can't read/understand the mark. However I don't think it is a Tongzhi mark.
Based on the overall look, with the glaze etc I believe these pair are from the PROC. Date wise @1960-1970.
Mark
I would have thought early republic period , But Mark could well be right , we would need some more pictures to comment further (for me anyway) Some close ups of the top rim and the painting , as close and as clear as you can get if you have time.
Carl
The washed out stamp and design look republic, but the bottom makes me think not too early. Possibly 1930s or 40s.
Birgit
When I first viewed these pair of vases I initially thought Republic period (1912-49). However upon closer examination I thought early PROC for the following reasons.
1. The glaze is very shiny. Almost too perfect for republic period. The glaze appears at least to my eye viewing on a small screen to be that of a sugary like paste versus pure white/matte white seen on genuine examples of the republic period.
2. No tell-tell signs of any imperfections associated with republic period porcelain. Almost perfect in line with gas fired oven. Although not always correct/presant especially with high-end porcelain the present examples do not fit that criteria in my opinion. These are not high-end production work often seen with associated masters.
3. The calligraphy appears at least on the surface to be in part transfer printed. Please note the obvious gaps/shading ever so slight between the colour!
4. The thick black like outlines always make me very suspicious of later day production.
5. No obvious weathering present on examples. Again too perfect.
6. The overall quality of the artists works seems to me to be a bit amateur both in style and execution. Sloppy work consistent with later day fast day production.
Conclusion/further notes:
For those readers having difficulty in distinguishing the glaze there is a very good example of later day production posted by @shine. Listed correctly as a lack ground vase 1969-1980's. A beautiful example. Members will note the sugar white glaze.
Further pictures detailing in HD the inner rim and inside/other are required.
The presance of an almost black like colour has in my opinion swayed views suggesting republic period. On the presant examples they look almost grey black.
The sloppy overlay of the paint. The amateur paint detail along with the partial deliberate stamp and finally the glaze suggest to me that these pair are post 1949.
Mark
Yes Mark, I think you’re right.
Birgit
Hi,
I can’t help with the mark but this is my piece,sold a week or two ago,which is Republic period.
The porcelain was off white with imperfections.
Quicklyresized last pic
Thank you all for the insight, attached below are some close up photos. Hopefully they help.
Thank you for posting additional pictures of your vases.
I still believe that they are from the early PROC based on the near perfect glaze along with the sugar-white paste.
The further pictures /information provided by @shine clearly demonstrates the difference between late republican period porcelain and that of the PROC with regard to the fired paste.
Still your vases are very nice and despite being from the PROC (my opinion only) still have a very desirable market, especially in more recent years where said have found their niche in the market.
It is my understanding that wood fired kilns were completely outlawed by the late 1980's early 90's. However in recent years some clever people have been reusing that method. I have not seen such as of yet. Perhaps, members may have seen such and or can post examples of such?
Mark
I have to say that looking at the gilt around the rim i am edging towards Marks idea.
Carl
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