The Chinese and Asian Art Forum. For Fans, Collectors and Dealers.
Basic Rules For the BidAmount Asian Art Forum: Talk about whatever you want. You can even discuss and offer things that are for sale if they are authentic. Maximum image file size per post is 2 MB. Images of 700pxl x 700pxl are optimal if saved at a medium resolution. Be respectful of others and enjoy yourself. Click the YouTube link for a brief tutorial on using the forum. You can also EMBED Videos by cutting and pasting from You-Tube, Vimeo etc.
NOTE: To post an item or add a new post, click open the category title from the FORUM LIST, and CLICK the Blue ADD TOPIC button.
Hi,
Please can someone help me with this mark? It is described as a Republic style brush pot, so the opening bid is very low. I think it is attractive and am wondering if it might be earlier than they think - the style reminds me a bit of that planter from early 20th c, that was discussed a little while ago. I will include a few pictures of the item in case that helps. The remaining 2 sides are birds in trees.
Thank you.
Julia
Thank you for looking it up. The auction people clearly think it is later but I know from experience that Chinese stuff isn't their strong point.
The opening bid is only £18 so I will have a go, but there are several people interested.
Thanks for your help!
Hi Julia -
Not really my area, but this looks very nice and also interestingly shaped ...
Such brush pots, especially those which included calligraphy, are very popular and highly desirable ...
Best of luck bidding on ...
Stuart
Thanks, Stuart. I will let you know how it goes.
Hi Julia,
Unfortunately in my opinion this brush pot is probably a product of the second half of the 20th century. Perhaps early 1950's but I do not think it is republic period. Even though it appears to be hand-painted.
I believe that because the style and calligraphy is based on two republican masters from the 'eight friends of zushan'. The fish and reeves is based on works by Deng Bishan 1874-1930. The other is bamboo on rocks by Xu Zhongnan 1872-1953. Both these/others were known to work together on projects. Their works are highly collectable and therefore also widely copied. Genuine examples bearing both these masters hand can command well in excess of $60,000usd
I am unable to enlarge your pictures however it is my firm belief that these depictions are not by the said masters but later copies/attributes. And in my opinion poorly done.
Personally as I believe this is a later copy than republic period I would not buy this.
Below is a genuine work by the master Xu Zhongnan that I currently own. The other image by Deng Bishan is taken from the book 'Chinese porcelain of the republic period' by Simon Kwan. Please note the distinct difference in both styles and calligraphy /seal mark. Copies of said artists and other members of the famed eight are widely available. Some are superb like the example I posted earlier today by Wang Qi. However they (the copies) seemed to always fail when it comes to the calligraphy and read marks.
Please proceed with caution! Bearing in mind that this bitong may be a later than thought copy. I would have liked to see inside. So bid accordingly.
Mark
Hi Mark, I rarely disagree with you but in this case I think it's not trying to copy some master but was just made in a style popular at the time. The bottom and surface, as far as I can see on the pictures, look quite ok for Republic, also that it looks a bit irregular and handmade. Later copies would have a much more perfect appearance. Just think of the endless "beautiful ladies" vases that are offered as Republic on Ebay. One would have to handle this item in person to come to a decision.
Birgit
I agree the foot and general style look OK for a republican period pot, but the potting is thick and not especially elegant, and the painted panels are strange - the fish are painted in a very similar and stiff way, and what is that yellow disc in the water? a reflection of the sun? Not well done , imo
Also the inscription and seal above the fish panel is crammed in to an awkward position and looks odd too.
I wouldn't buy it
tam
Hi Birgit,
I believe copies or attributes for the reason that I think the calligraphy mentions or infers 'made by...'
I do not nor can I speak Chinese so I maybe totally wrong with the following observation. I sort of tried to compare some of the symbols painted on the Xu Zhongnan side of the brush pot with my plaque. I see similar letters on my plaque towards the end of poem indicating 'old man in bamboo Xu Zhongnan'.
Perhaps members such as gfhandle aka George or indeed others profient could clarify the markings.
I agree with you dear Birgit that it's probably not later 20th century for the reasons posted, but it could be from the early 1950's. I would have certainly liked to view the inside.
Mark
Hi all,
Sorry, been out digging up potatoes!
Thanks for all the supplementary comments. I will bear all that in mind. The painting isn't the highest quality which is why I alluded to this thread:
However, I did fail to check inside it. There were a couple of other things I am hoping to go back to look at - the auction isn't for a while - so I will try to get a photo of it.
It is interesting to hear all the views on this, it is not an area I feel secure with, so I really appreciate the help.
Julia
I wouldn't be very confident dating it to the republic period and you usually see marks written this way on later pieces. There is also something about the wear that makes me feel uncomfortable.
I wouldn't bid on it with the intend to purchase a collectible piece.
Mark,
Leftmost line includes a date October 1939 with an “Old man in bamboo Xu Chungnan” signature. But as you mentioned there are many copies of his works so I must leave authenticity to the experts.
George
Latest Post: Erotic carved celadon? I must have lead a sheltered life, not seeing this before Our newest member: Mae Naylor Recent Posts Unread Posts
Thanks for visiting "The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art"
If you sell on eBay, or have a shop feel free to post images and descriptions and links.
Check back often for discussion about the latest news in the Chinese art and antique world. Also find out about the latest Asian art auctions at Sotheby's, Christie's, Bonhams and Tajans.
Auction results for: fine porcelain, ceramics, bronze, jade, textiles and scholar's objects. As well as Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and other Asian cultures.
Thank you,
Peter Combs
Topics and categories on The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
Kangxi vases, Kangxi dishes and chargers, Kangxi ritual pieces, Kangxi scholar's objects, Qianlong famille rose, Qianlong enamels, Qianlong period paintings, Qianlong Emporer's court, Fine porcelain of the Yongzheng period. Chinese imperial art, Ming porcelain including Jiajing, Wanli, Xuande, Chenghua as well as Ming jades and bronzes.
Join the BidAmount Chinese and Asian art discussion board and forum today
The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
A free Asian art discussion board and Asian art message board for dealers and collectors of art and antiques from China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and the rest of Asia. Linked to all of the BidAmount Asian art reference areas, with videos from plcombs Asian Art and Bidamount on YouTube. Sign up also for the weekly BidAmount newsletter and catalogs of active eBay listing of Chinese porcelain, bronze, jades, robes, and paintings.
The art of calligraphy - and for the ancient Chinese it certainly was an art - aimed to demonstrate superior control and skill using brush and ink. Calligraphy established itself as one of the major Chinese art forms during the Han dynasty (206 BCE - 220 CE), and for two millennia after, all educated men were expected to be proficient at it.
The Museum’s collections of Asian art span nearly five millennia and encompass the cultures of China, the Himalayas, India, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia. In 2007, the Museum launched an initiative to create dedicated galleries for the collection, beginning with a gallery for the arts of Korea ...
Chinese art is full of symbolism, in that artists typically seek to depict some aspect of a totality of which they are intuitively aware.
China Online Museum is the finest online museum of Chinese art. It features Chinese calligraphy, painting, ceramics, bronzes, carving, and other artworks.
Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art. Overview Upcoming auctions Contacts Auction results ... Christie’s sales of Chinese ceramics and works of art showcase centuries of Chinese history. Held throughout the year in London, New York, Paris and Hong Kong, they attract a wide audience of collectors and connoisseurs vying for pieces as diverse as ...
Explore Asian Art Week. Contact the Specialist Department. Chinese Paintings ... Senior Specialist, Head of Sale. [email protected]. Tel:+1 212 641 5760. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 September 2019 at New York. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 ...
Discover an abundance of must-see art from all corners of a vast continent at Christie’s NY Asian Art Week. From contemporary classical and Chinese paintings to works with exemplary provenance from the Art Institute of Chicago, our Rockefeller Paza galleries will be full of ancient treasures and contemporary masterworks in a salute to the vibrant arts of Asia.
Sold to benefit The Art Institute of Chicago’s Asian Art Acquisition Fund, the sale features 84 lots with a focus on Ming and Qing porcelains, and offers a rare insight into the taste for collecting Chinese ceramics and works of art in the Midwest from the end of the 19th century through the 1980s. Highlights include two Wanli wucai garlic-head vases, a Qianlong mark and period, blue and ...
Specialist, Chinese Paintings, Christie's London Dr Malcolm McNeill is a Specialist in Chinese Paintings at Christie’s, based in London. He previously worked as an assistant curator of the Chinese collections and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, as a researcher at the British Museum, and as a translator and tour guide at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.
The Christie's Education 2020 Conference: The Chinese Art Market 18 Jun 2019 Christie’s Education is delighted to announce our first international academic conference in Asia which will take place in Hong Kong from 26-27 November 2020 at the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and will run in parallel with Christie’s Hong Kong Autumn Auctions.
The summer Chinese Art sale in Hong Kong will feature works of art from several private collections, including Qing porcelains and textile from the collection of the legendary Chinese art dealer A. W. Bahr (1877–1959), fine gilt bronze Buddhist sculptures from an old Hong Kong collection, an East Asian collection of Qing dynasty wine cups and jades, and a Japanese collection of Song ceramics ...
Sotheby's Chinese Works of Art Department holds two auctions each year in London, New York, Hong Kong and Paris.
Chinese Art - View Auction details, bid, buy and collect the various artworks at Sothebys Art Auction House.
With more than 340 Chinese works of art dating from the Neolithic to the Republic periods, highlights of this sale include a selection of Qing Imperial monochromes from the collection of Arnold and Blema Steinberg, early ceramics from the Art Institute of Chicago and Chinese porcelain and works of art from the collection of Henry Arnhold.
Results: Sotheby's Asia Week achieved $52.4 million in six strong auctions, exceeding pre-sale estimates. With 76.5% of lots sold and 60.3% of lots surpassing high estimates, the Asian art sales at Sotheby's indicate continued collector interest in the finest works of art from China, India and and the Himalayas.
Today's sale of Important Chinese Art will proceed as planned with sessions at 10 AM and 2 PM EDT. Sotheby's will be monitoring the weather conditions throughout the day and will be available to coordinate alternative bidding options should conditions make it difficult for clients to attend the auction in person.
Bonhams Chinese Art department is renowned for offering the finest works of art representing the richness and breadth of China's artistic heritage, particularly Imperial porcelain, white and spinach green jades, cloisonné and Buddhist art. Specialised international auctions are held globally, including London, Hong Kong and San Francisco.
Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Chinese Art (US) General enquiries
Bonhams : Fine Chinese Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars Bonhams : Asian Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site.
Bonhams are international auctioneers of fine Chinese and Japanese art. We specialise in rare Imperial and Export Chinese ceramics and works of art, as well as Japanese ceramics, fine and decorative works of art from the Neolithic Period to the 20th century. View on map
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Asian Art Bonhams. Work. 22 Queen St.