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Hi everyone,
I have a chance (not a big one but I am going to try) to get this vase, after all. Am guessing there was a reserve or it simply wasn't paid for. This is the other side of it, the original picture I posted is in the thread about the Unusual Celadon thread here: https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/help-identify-this/unusual-celadon-famille-rose-gu-form-vase
This is the other side of it, does anyone see any problems? I have tried to take on board Giovanni's points and I know Mark seemed to think it was ok for a late Qing date, as did I when I handled it. I thought it was described as late 19th c but they avoided dating it. There are a few odd bits to the border on the large panel on this side although they could be insects as there is a mark on the bottom flower border which certainly appears to be an insect.
I am going to ask if I could see it again before bidding - is there anything in particular I should look out for. Will try to get a photo of the base.
Thanks for your help,
Julia
Hi Julia, the painting looks ok to me. For late Qing the gold shouldn’t be too glossy, but you surely know that. Black was no deep black before the 1920s, someone already mentioned this in the other thread. Also the foot shouldn’t look modern, maybe you can show a picture here. Good luck!
Birgit
I still think it is OK for late Qing period. The only concerns I have is with the odd ball handles and the simplistic way it is painted. But overall it is pleasant to the eye.
Pity Giovanni has not weighed in with his experience and expertise.
Good luck and let us know the outcome.
Mark
Dear Julia and all,
at very first glance, by the overall appearance the vase looks Japanese but by the quality of the painting it is no doubt Chinese. Nevertheless a strange one, some features are not common (like the marguerites as you noted). I don’t see problems with the dog face handles.
All in all it is ok for late Qing, it is not modern because the enamels are completely different after Qing.
It would be good to see the base for a more precise dating.
Regards,
Giovanni
PS: Dear Julia in the other thread you did ask me to post pictures of the garden stool.
I can't by now because I have not yet decided what to do with it, if I would sell it or not.
It is damaged but the decoration is impressive. First half of 19th century with 72 human figures!
Here some detail:
Thank you Giovanni. I would not have figured/thought that the handles were dog faces!
Your stool is very detailed Giovanni. A real pity it is damaged.
Hope you get it Julie. It is unusual.
Mark
Thanks everyone for your help. I will pop down there, tomorrow, to see if I can get another look.
I wondered about the handles, Mark, especially face on, it is not clear that they are dogs, but from the side I can see it. I also agree with the Japanese aspect. Could it have been made for the Japanese market? It is a little Satsuma like. The gold looks ok but thanks for reminding me of the black, Birgit, I will pay attention if I get to see it.
Giovanni, thanks for posting those photos - what a wonderful garden seat this must be. It is a shame about the damage, but it is so good to see all those figures and what they are all doing. What an amazing piece of work!
Will post a photo of the base tomorrow, if I can get one.
Thank you and have a nice evening!
Hi Julia -
Certainly not my area - but best of luck, I hope your successful ....
Dear Giovanni -
Wonderful to see these additional garden seat images - very impressive with high quality, detailed painting ...
Personally, the damaged would not bother me ....
With regards,
Stuart
Dear Stuart,
we are in the same boat. Of course a not damaged piece is better, but really I do not bother so much about damges. We love antiques, and each antique item has his own story.
Actually, I am happy if I find a very rare item that is damaged, because it means that I can keep it.
Regards,
Giovanni
Here are two pictures of the base, it has a kind of stepped foot. I can only apologise for the poor photos but there was no room to move as there were items all over the floor and shelves. I had to crop these on ebay as my photo editor won't load! I got a couple of slightly better ones of the vase itself, will post separately.
I am unable to upload photos as small as 1.25MB although the allowance is 2MB. So again, re-sized on ebay. One of the marks I mentioned earlier does indeed appear to be a worm. Rather nice really.
Hi Julia -
From the slightly blurred images, the base looks fine for 19th C, IMO ...
Whether the enamelled decoration was added in the late 19th C over the crackled monochrome, or is contemporary to the piece, I do not have the knowledge to say. As Giovanni mentioned - a strange one
Again, best of luck ...
Stuart
Dear Julia,
enamels and style of the decoration are ok for late 19th century in my opinion, and the base too.
Regards
Giovanni
Thank you both. I was quite confident when I looked this morning but it so good have it confirmed, especially from such bad photos!
I can now clearly see the dog head handles. Thanks.
The additional pictures imo only confirm that this vase is late Qing period.
Hope you are successful, second time around.
Mark
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