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I think this is Ai-Kutani revival, so 2nd half 19th? Cannot say I am sure...
A couple of interesting things about this piece. It has what seems like an intentionally ground out area just under the mouth (pic #6). Maybe a thumb hold for pouring? Quite brutish 😋 . And of course the design continuing onto the base. It actually has enamel applied on the foot-rim... very odd. I can imagine a mischievous decorator, showing his colleague the finished vase. Then turning it over, with a straight face. And his colleague shaking his head.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
When looking at the footrim and colors, should be Edo piece. Love which way pattern extends to the base.
Hi Lucky,
Could be late Edo, you may be right. I've ruled out a genuine 17th century piece. The yellow enamel, in particular, is too dark. Also, the black outlining and features are too distinct. Early pieces have black that is more "smudgy". The blue and the green are pretty good replications.
take it with a grain of salt
Looks like I didn’t press send earlier. 😊 I thought around mid 19th c so, yes, I also think late Edo rather than early Meiji.
Hey Todd,
I too am with the others, looks good for Edo period, Arita kilns, Kutani type.. The colors are strong and the decoration is very eye-catching, its a nice find! I love that the decoration spills over the foot rim.
Cheers,
Jeremy
A similar crisply painted example...
Thanks Julia, Tim, Jeremy,
That Met example you posted, Jeremy, it is a good match, I agree. The yellow is the same darker shade. And also your comment that its Arita...I was thinking that also. I originally had assumed Kutani, but its not marked. And how many Kutani objects have no mark? In my experience, zero 😋 . Although I'm sure there's an unmarked Kutani example somewhere out there.
So, perhaps 18th. I may have been influenced by where I found it. This shop had yielded nothing for a very long time. I have practically stopped going there, just felt like a waste of time. And this was just sitting on the shelf for a laughable price. Here in Thailand, when an object has any damage, they mark down the price drastically. Its just a cultural thing. Maybe a gold repair for that strange gouge in the neck is in its future.
I picked this up at the same time. An old wooden mortar bowl. As well as some other items. You never know when a place will surprise you.
take it with a grain of salt
I was thinking that also. I originally had assumed Kutani, but its not marked. And how many Kutani objects have no mark? In my experience, zero
Your bottle has such a strong kakiemon influence on the design and colors, that I went back to see if there were any 17th c. kakiemon that had the mountain scene (sadly, no). But it is clear from the depth of the white against the bright enamels, that the work is early.
Did you see Jeremy's post of the MET Arita charger, that the charger is unmarked? I think you are going to find the bottle to be even older than we had all originally thought.
Nice find!
Tim,
I am starting to feel convinced! Thanks.
I hadn't noticed the MET example was not marked. I was too busy examining the colors I guess.
take it with a grain of salt
Todd,
First let me say I would die if I came across that lot in a shop, those two Chawan are stunning! Shino ware? also is that a small yellow glazed seto cup down towards the bottom just left of the red stem cups? I do think it is quite a bit earlier than late Edo, my guess would be mid-17th to mid-18th. As Tim says there are definitely overlaps with Kakiemon, which during this period Arita was pulling from that palette and others. There are a few that I am reminded of I believe in a german museum (I'll think of it eventually), as well as the Tokyo Nat Museum, I have loaned that book to a friend, but should have it back soon.
On a side note, would you possibly post pictures those Chawan? I really want to see those. 😍
Cheers,
Jeremy
Thanks Jeremy!
That little yellow cup is indeed Seto (I think), good eye. It is an odd little one because a very small spout has been carved, post-firing, making it a katakuchi I guess.
The chawans are Shino, yep. They have a very unusual black area added to the common orange and white. I've never seen ones like this before. Something about them reminded me of Rakuzan crab cups, although the colors aren't the same.
This is the only extra picture I took in natural light.
Thanks for your help, as always.
take it with a grain of salt
Hey Todd,
Those are beautiful, beautiful chawan. The Brown/black splashes remind me a lot of the Momoyama type iron glazed Mino and Shino bowls, and the later revival ones as well. Usually the earlier ones have the iron glaze as a decoration and the later ones more splashes and random. that said with out seeing the bottoms, they very well could be Edo or earlier, the form is really nice, and looks very comfortable in the hands. Even if later, they seem very nice and desirable.
I'll post a few examples of the early ones....
That Seto katakuchi is lovely looking too, probably 19th century, I've recently seen one sold as 19th anyways, but I don't know enough about them, the foot does look right.
You had a heck of a score!
Jeremy
https://bunka.nii.ac.jp/heritages/detail/202403
https://bunka.nii.ac.jp/heritages/detail/186014
Is the wood carving a mirror back or other? Great haul.
Here's one I was thinking is maybe old kutani. Curious what you all think.
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