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Dear William, this is a detail of a big, 18th century mirror black vase that I have.
The one that I am planning to sell is 19th century but it looks the same.
Regards,
Giovanni
Yes, exactly. Glaze thins out near rim. Unlike a low fired overglaze enamel which doesn’t have the same effect. See below.
I got a few new photos of it, my friend stopped by for brunch, it does thin to brown, and the pictures from the site before were highly contrasted, as well as the foot blurred, so Here is a shot of that. the shoulder it thins also and in direct sunlight thins to brownI don't know if this better illustrates it, or would it still be modern?
-Jeremy
Please forgive my finger prints all over it...
-Jeremy
Well, I have to say I learned something new regarding the use of mirror-black glaze through the centuries. That the glaze pulling away from the rim can’t really be used to determine probable age.
But, that Kangxi mark is clearly off center and that would never pass muster in a ‘mark & period’ piece. I can’t understand why fakers always choose that particular mark, it was originally used for the only the finest & rarest of Kangxi porcelain. They might as well have written “I am a big, fat fake”.
@william Were there no poorly sighted makers who got the mark off center or a bad day for quality control at the old ceramic kiln? Most often they would have been caught and destroyed but are we absolutely sure that some seconds did not sqeak by or possibly sneak out? One wonders why they would go to such trouble to fake and then blow the mark, but if that is always a reliable tell, then thank goodness for it. Sharon
now that I am compulsively measuring the highest point of the top of the mark to the edge is 29mm the lowest point of the bottom of the mark is 28mm to the rim. and from the sides it is 21mm on the nose.
-Jeremy
In regards to imperial reign marks, things were about as strictly regulated as they would ever get in the late Kangxi/Yongzheng periods. However, 18th century potters happily mis-used Ming reign marks on non-imperial porcelains as a sort of tribute to the quality of their “modern” production.
Back in the day when I was actively collecting, affordable 18th century pieces were the ones with no mark at all.
Hope springs eternal...I have attached a photo of a Kangxi vase that has a similar shape as the one under discussion. See if you can find a documented Kangxi mirror-black example from a museum or sold at a reputable auction sale. I don’t think you will find one.
I honestly wont be spending too much time on it since I do not own it, but have forwarded the info to my friend. He had not noticed it but there is a fracture to the body of the vase and it sort of spiders out from the point of impact. Personally I would have sought out a return but I do not know what he will do. As far as the form I was unable to find a vase like this from the era. Thank you for all of your input and I have certainly learned quite a bit about Mirror black glazes.
Thanks again,
Jeremy
The form has its origins in Tibet and the various examples I have seen have typically been white bodied with blue or red underglaze decorations. If seller didn’t mention the damage to your friend, it would be a perfect opportunity to get his money back.
Even if it is almost centered, the mark seems off in regards to being too compressed, like in the case of my mallet vase I recently posted which I very much hoped was mark and period. But I came to learn all the real Kangxi marks were more spread out, and yes, perfectly centered, which mine was not either.
I have listed my vase here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/265099662023
I have just found that there is another mirror black vase on sale, which rim has the same color of William’s vase.
The foot is like that of my one, with the same chipped glaze typical of 19thc century, with refilling. Nevertheless the seller is claiming it to be of the Kangxi period, which is not possible:
I am curious to see how both sales will end. If that vase will sell for 2,500 dollars and my one for a few hundred, I will definitely close my eBay account😊😊
Giovanni
Thank you for posting yours, It is lovely. The other one is definitely later and $2500 seems rather off. I prefer the form of yours anyhow.
-Jeremy
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