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@lotusblack I think the only way your argument makes sense is if you can prove that there was not an inordinate number of Kangxi style pieces made in the late 19th C, because if there was, then that seems like clear evidence that a revival took place, whatever the reason.
@greeno107 I guess we could go back and forth on this. I’m not arguing about the world revival. I’m arguing that the term is misused to glorify a reproduction. I have spent 4 days now trying to find the origin of Kangxi revival I have found several articles that tell how antique dealers created Kangxi and other styles to meet western exports taste for antiques but nothing that indicates that there was some mass production of Kangxi style to meet a public’s demand in China. The Chinese were masters at documenting everything but not one historic or period article. For such a widely used term you would think there would be data. I also found it interesting the that Christie’s and Sotheby’s do not use the word Kangxi Revival in any past listing that I could find. We do know there were Kangxi Style items produced but this could be caused by many factors the word revival can be used lossy for just about any trend. My final thought if this Revival was so evident where’s all the porcelain yes I have seen few here and there but not in the quantity of other 19th century items. Matter fact I have yet to find a high quality Kangxi style item yet. I’m not say a person get to make up their own belief and change history. But after the last 6months I have personally witnessed how a made up store the “big lie” can make 50 million people believe something that didn’t happen I need a little more data to be persuaded.
Hi,
I am a reader in this forum for quite some time but I thought it would be a good
opportunity to sign up now...for 1 million dollars. 😀
Well I was able to identify the pattern of this vase and the person sweeping is
one of the essential figures of this scene.
It depicts a story from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms and is called Empty Fort Strategy or Empty City Stratagem.
(even though it is most likely one of the many fictional events which were made up
by Luo Guanzhong in the 14th Century)
Zhuge Liang (the guy on the wall) was caught unprepared by the attack of his rival Sima Yi.
And since there were not enough soldiers in the castle to go to battle he had to find a way to trick the enemy and make him retreat.
So he ordered to open the gates and someone sweeping the floor outside so Sima Yi would not dare to enter the castle as he fears they might have laid an ambush inside.
Certainly a risky maneuver but in the end it worked. (at least in fiction - I doubt anyone would have fallen for it otherwise)
I am not sure but as far as I can recall this event is also associated with the saying 'Winning a battle without a fight'.
The only question left was if this pattern was already done during the Kangxi Period.
And indeed it was.
Here is a vase auctioned at Sotheby's a few years ago. It even shows 2 persons with brooms so I guess this should make 2 millions now, right? lol
https://www.sothebys.com/de/auctions/ecatalogue/2014/kangxi-porcelain-n09110/lot.18.html
I have also discovered a Kangxi dish with the same pattern.
And I am owning an export painting from the 19th Century of this scene.
So I assume it was quite popular in use.
However I also have to admit that I do not like the painting quality of the vase in
this thread (I am by no means an expert but even as an advanced beginner I think
the drawing is rather clumsy).
Actually I like 19th Century objects in the style of Kangxi but not in this case.
Quite honestly in this difficult times I would prefer payment in cash if you do not mind. 🙂
Regards from Germany
Eventually donate that million dollar to humanistic purposes. I would ...
@johnshoe While it would make a fine hypothetical for law students in Contracts I to argue about whether Giovanni's hyperbole with a laughing smiley face would be considered an written offer, it is my considered opinion that it was lacking specificity and intent for a true meeting of the minds, i.e. you are hot out of luck. Sharon 🤣
@sharonp a contract or an written agreement is binding. But there are many issues in this case. First one is you can’t prove The person that made the offer really did make that offer. I know that sounds strange but he could say in a court hey I left my computer open and my roommate wrote on the forum. Second issue is international contracts are not governed like the country you live in. The third he could say I meant a million monopoly dollars the terms were never agreed on. Another problem is this could be considered a bet. In some countries this is actually considered gambling and could even be a crime.
Dear Sanguo,
Thank you very much! This is one fascinating side of Chinese ceramics, that there is always something new to learn.
I do not think that it is a common motif, I have never seen it before, in man years. And in fact that dish is in what is considered the more important collection of Kangxi ware in the World.
BTW I will not pay the million dollars because it was clearly stated: “I will pay YOU one million etc. etc. “😊😊
Joking of course, it is a very common say to bet here.
Regards,
Giovanni
Oh NOOOOOO! It looks like we have a group of attorneys in our forum! 😱 😱 😱
Everybody needs to sign a non-disclosure and non-compete form in triplicate, and send it to me! 😜
@greeno107 Everyone just read Bleak House by Charles Dickens, the best legal advice, "stay out of court," for a happy life. Sharon
BTW I will not pay the million dollars because it was clearly stated: “I will pay YOU one million etc. etc. “😊😊
Joking of course, it is a very common say to bet here.
Oh no.
I have already ordered my new yacht.
Hahaha.
More seriously I have improved in identifying certain subjects on Chinese art and antiques over the years.
This empty fort theme can be found rather frequently.
However when it comes to judging the quality of Chinese art and antiques I am still lacking a lot of knowledge.
Regards
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