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 Tim Parish
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Topic starter 05/07/2018 9:12 am  

I found these 3 cups and saucers in an antique store in Britain mixed with a lot of other blue and white.

I am hoping they might be Kangxi. The cups are without damage but 2 saucers sadly have hairlines and one a small chip. the cups have 8 sections that are shaped into the cup.

The colour is hard to replicate in the photos. They are very fine and light weighted.

Do you think they might be Kangxi? Any ideas about the age or value?

Many thanks to the folks out there!

TJ


   
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05/07/2018 9:44 am  

These look like C19th copies to me, based on the colour of the cobalt blue, and the white glazed sections which have a blueish tinge (on my monitor).

Also the way the saucer borders are decorated , and the leaf mark on the base - I think you would expect greater care and precision in real kangxi porcelain.

tam


   
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Topic starter 05/07/2018 9:52 am  

Thanks. They are actually quite white in the original but my camera has made them a lot bluer. 🙂


   
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05/07/2018 1:04 pm  

Dear Tim,

surely Kangxi. Massively produced for export.

Dear Tam18, do not judge the type of blue on digital images. The potting and style of decoration here are undoubtedly Kangxi.

Kind regards

Giovanni

 


   
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 Mats A
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05/07/2018 6:33 pm  

You're probably right Giovanni, but would they not have be molded with this decor if it were Kangxi ca 1690+- 10 yers? May be wrong but have not seen this type of cup without being molded and easily screwed in the shape along the decor.

Mats


   
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Topic starter 05/07/2018 8:33 pm  

Thanks so much for your thoughts on this. It is always hard to capture the colour. I was hoping they were Kangxi. Just exciting to own a real piece of porcelain history. Thanks again.


   
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Topic starter 05/07/2018 8:35 pm  

Thanks Matt. It is hard to see from the photos but they are moulded and "screwed" as you aptly describe along the panels of design. It is very distinct but strangely hard to see in the photos.


   
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06/07/2018 7:21 am  

Hi,

Really sorry if I am being a bit dense but I don't get the moulded and "screwed" idea.  What does that mean?  

Thanks for any explanation.

Julia


   
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06/07/2018 7:38 am  

I can't see it at all in the photos , although there are some shadows which may relate - I think they mean the cups have been moulded , rather than hand-turned or shaped, in the form which looks a bit like a screw thread, wider near the rim, narrower near the base.

tam


   
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06/07/2018 8:14 am  

Kangxi export porcelain. Around 200 Euro each set (a cup with a saucer).

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06/07/2018 9:14 am  

Dear Tam18 they are moulded. It is clearly visible in the pictures, you can see the octagonal shape in the picture of the back.

BTW not all Kangxi cups of this type are molded, it is not a must for Kangxi ware.

Giovanni

 


   
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 Tim Parish
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Topic starter 06/07/2018 9:48 am  

Wow! Thanks so much! I really appreciate you taking the time to share your expertise. I only paid about 30 euros for the three so it sounds like they were a bargain. Many thanks again. I really love them.


   
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Topic starter 06/07/2018 9:50 am  

Thanks Giovanni! I really appreciate the information and you taking the time to write. I do collect a lot of european antiques but the world of Chinese porcelain has always been a challenge for me.


   
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06/07/2018 2:04 pm  

Very nice cups Tim.
Now I see the shadows and of course the shape of the plates.

Congratulation!

Mats 


   
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06/07/2018 4:03 pm  
Posted by: tam18

I can't see it at all in the photos , although there are some shadows which may relate - I think they mean the cups have been moulded , rather than hand-turned or shaped, in the form which looks a bit like a screw thread, wider near the rim, narrower near the base.

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