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Hi guys,
A newbie collector here. I recently bumped into these beauties at a local Chinese shop.
Kangxi brush pot looks very convincing, but I am not sure about period of the Qianlong marked jar. My first impression was that the jar is a later copy - footrim was wide and overall glaze color had blue-ish tone. However, the decoration was nice and the paste at the bottom was very clean, dense and soft, almost felt like clay.
I would love to hear your opinion. Thank you!
@shinigami Hi Brigit, thank you for the reply! I don't think the drawing is printed. Have a look at the patterns around shoulder and base, they are repeated and very similar, but every single one is different.
I am quite curious to know from which period is this jar from (I think it's unlikely to be of period).
Regarding the Kangxi brush pot, I am a bit leery of the chisel marks along the unglazed inner footrim. Any insights would be much appreciated 🙂
With Kangxi porcelain, I would recommend only buying it if you are confident in either the provenance it has or your own judgement it is old (with the understanding and acceptance of your potential fallibility). Now is not a great time to be buying Kangxi porcelain without clarity, especially if the financial consequence is significant for you.
Speaking for myself personally, I am not much of a fan of that brush pot. I kind of like the jar as the mark and foot rim are quite neat, but I do not know if it has any age.
With Japanese porcelain/metal for example you can still buy fairly carelessly and the items should be what they appear to be, but Chinese porcelain in particular requires very careful consideration. A modern piece is not a bad thing as an object in of itself, but you probably would not want to pay the price of an old piece for a modern piece.
I think even many years ago a beginner would almost necessarily make mistakes as a part of the learning process, now the potential for mistakes is even higher than before (a mistake being paying a price for an item that you would not be happy paying if you had deeper understanding of what the piece is, whether the items is old, vintage or modern). If you want to learn in depth for yourself I would recommend focusing on one small area at a time until you are confident and then gradually branching out, developing your own tastes as a collector. If you do not want to learn in depth I would heavily lean on impeccable provenance. Another angle is to not spend much money or indeed collect in other under appreciated fields that are easier to navigate.
@johnshoe @elm Thank you, John and Forest. I am really glad to have found this community, which is full of information and experienced people like you who share valuable insights. As a newbie, I am aware that my knowledge is very limited, so I typically do not spend a dime unless I am double triple confident.
John, may I ask how you were able to tell that the Kangxi brush pot is modern? I personally found it quite convincing.
Hi Jay,
I agree with the others to avoid buying these items. The jar is printed although the mark on the bottom seems to be hand painted. Still, quite new. The brush pot looks like the late Qing style of "Kangxi revival" although it may be newer.
I concur that you'll enjoy owning a real Kangxi piece albeit humbler: look for a repaired blue and white plate, for example. It's a great place to start. There are a lot of authentic Kangxi blue and white objects out there for pretty reasonable prices, especially saucers, small plates, repaired items.
Regards,
Steve
Hi Kim -
I would also concur with others to leave both pieces well alone ...
The painting style/cobalt shading footrim/base trimming on the brush pot are all wrong for Kangxi. Depending on condition, if acceptable as genuine this would be a mid 5 figure object ...
Much the same applies to the jar/cover, the mark writting of which contains numerous stroke errors ...
Walk away ...
Stuart
@terrancekim324 I'm glad you are trying to deepen your knowledge. The tricky part is trying to describe these things. What I have found more useful than verbal explanations is to simply look at tons of authentic examples and also fakes to see the differences and similarities. If you spend enough time doing this your eyes will begin to calibrate and then you are better situated to tell the difference. You will begin to notice the way they try to fake signs of age by adding small areas of damage and discoloration. You will begin to notice the subtle differences in the way they draw the images. The colors of the paste and enamels will look differently. Sometimes the shapes differ. All these differences can range between subtle to severe. The more subtle the differences the more experience you must have to tell the difference. And of course the absolute best thing is to handle as many authentic pieces as possible because the actual feel and presence of a piece is a significant aspect to help determine authenticity. After a couple of years of study you will start to know a little bit. But that's when you really need to be extra careful, because a little knowledge can get you into a lot of trouble when it comes to collecting Asian antiques! So study as much as possible and don't underestimate the fakers. And when in doubt, seek the advice of your mentors. If you do these things it will greatly improve your chances to succeed. Cheers! John
Enjoy the hunting!
Christie's site is excellent for looking at photos of authentic pieces. And, as Peter recommends, specialized books are also helpful. And as one of our members here pointed out, handling, too, although that's obviously not always possible at first.
Mistakes will probably be made; learn from them and keep them as cheap as possible. 😊
I love Kangxi blue and white and I've on a couple of occasions bought late Qing imitators by mistake. Turned out, that's OK; they have a charm all their own. And the bigger, nicer examples like vases are valuable in their own right.
That's a fun way to learn and better than looking at photos, for sure.
I really appreciate it when museums display dishes and bowls over mirrors so you can see the bottom.
I live in the Bay Area and the SF Asian Art Museum has an amazing collection of Chinese porcelain. Only trouble is they do *not* include items made for export.
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