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Hi All,
I found these footed dishes at an estate wholesaler this weekend. They are each 11 cm across, and about 4 cm tall (one is a little taller). They all have the same overall pattern, but there is considerable variation in the quality of the painting, and also, in the darkness of the blue enamel, and even in the apparent density of the porcelain. The tag said they were "Japanese Sweet Meat Dishes, 1775-1810", but I can't find anything similar on line--usually, that is because I am searching under the wrong description! Any idea what these are? Are they Japanese Arita, or something else entirely?
They are a set of six, two with minor chips--I am showing three.
Thanks,
Charles
I agree these are not sweet-meat dishes, which are usually divided dishes, you might try compote to see if it yields more results on your search. I too think they look Chinese. Sharon
They're also called tazza dishes I think. I agree they look Chinese, but I've also only seen that "xoxo" border pattern on the center of yours on Japanese pieces, so I'd say they're Japanese. One of them also looks like the "chemical blue" hue that Michael mentioned a couple of weeks ago in my opinion.
@bartholin They have a kitchen Qing look to me, I always think Japanese porcelain should have a more refined look than the bases on these pieces. Someone has a similar looking one for sale on Etsy for 95 dollars, which they took the easy route and called it Asian, Chinese Japanese in the description, but while the colors are similar to these, the base has a more refined look.
I admit, I don't know much about kitchen Qing wares, so I'll defer to you for that! I just wanted to toss in my thoughts on that center "xoxo" border there.
Todd is right, most probably 19th century Kitchen Qing for the Thai market. Ususally these are red and green.
Birgit
@kirby13 Dear Charles i personly refer to them as Bencharong stem trays , i normally sell them for under 25 Dollars p.p. the last batch of 3 made 130 Dollars plus, i have hundreds of them , mine where collected by a swiss fellow who wanted to cut of the stem and then put them on his bathroom wall instead of tiles . Every year i sell a few they make nice candle stands. value 15-50 dollars .age yes they got some age 😎
I don't know if this is of any help or just adds to confusion, however the small angular dish I have would be what I consider an "Sweetmeat" dish and the the other a "tazza", though I think "stem tray" would make sense for non-european export wares. My Tazza example is, I believe, modern.
Jeremy
@shinigami dear birgit thats what i got at hand rigth now the res is stored away i cant get to it befor friday in a weeks time the one crossed is damaged make youre choice ...or wait for more pictures .
Hi Martin, no hurry. If you have time to see the stored ones and if it’s not too much trouble you might send me some pictures of the colored ones: [email protected]
Thanks a lot!
Birgit
Thanks, All! Martin, you definitely have them identified. I paid $100 for the 6, so I think they were a reasonable price. I thought they looked more Chinese--the painting style was similar to kitchen Qing. But the porcelain looked a little soft and pasty, compared to the pieces of kitchen Qing I have.
Charles
Hello,
By a coincidence I have one of these stem trays in blue and white, it came to me as part of a self lot at a local auction several years ago. Never been able to decide if Chinese or Japanese , the oxo pointing to Japan but the stylised and abstract bats on the stem pointing to China. The poppy seed pods heads are maybe bit unusual as most depictions of poppies I have seen on both Chinese and Japanese show poppies in bloom so not much help there, but have to say the fact that I have not seen poppies shown like that on Asian ceramics is likely due to my lack in study of the subject.
Always thought they was made for export to S.E Asia. Bencharong means five colors so never associated it with that term. Although I have noticed some dealers seem to apply the term to all items that have a Thai or Straights design element to them now days.
Sorry not much help with Charles original questions.
Michael
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