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 Charles Bryan
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Topic starter 04/01/2024 9:20 pm  

Hi All,

I found these two figurines in Texas a few weeks ago.  They are roughly 3.25 inches tall not including the stands, and are made of jadeite.  I like the use of the natural rock colors, the bright green highlighting the heads and the fruit, and the mossy-looking cracks and inclusions in the back, which seem to mirror the fold of the robes.  They are not finely carved, but the polish is fairly nice.  Are they modern, or do they have some age?  The clever use of the color makes me think they might have a little age...

I am also curious about the two little grooves cut into each on the back, between the folds of the robes.  A small groove, with a larger one underneath.   Maybe some sort of informal signature?

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Charles

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 Preston Barski
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04/01/2024 9:39 pm  

I don't have too much of a doubt that this is natural jade. The coloring looks right, the pattern is exaggerated but it doesn't seem manufactured. Both are really really nice. 

Age is difficult to guess but this likely would be qing, maybe between late 18th and mid 19th per the rough polishing, the "marking" on the backs, and the figural forms suggest this a bit. But age is difficult to fully qualify with jade.

So I question the wood bases, which appear fine quality wood but newer and fresh. Do they have any signs of chipping or wear? Are they cut by hand tools or manufactured with perfect lines and cuts? 

Also another better way to tell if it's at least more modern is if the holes and valleys have perfect drill cuts to shape them out, or are they imperfect; maybe some grits of what looks like sand stuck between the cuts? 


   
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04/01/2024 10:23 pm  

@kirby13,

Hi Charles, 

Based on the images your two carving are jadeite jade. 

Both depict the immortal Shou-Lou.

Dating these by way of a few limited pictures is difficult. However it's my opinion that the quality of the carvers hand is low and quick handed suggests to my eye that these are 20th Century carvings. Possibly late 19th Century. 

The stands seem to also be 20th Century but really have no bearing on the carving itself because often older carvings have later stands.

I don't believe that the marks or incision you are referring to on the backs have any significantance other than probably carved by the same hand. 

Mark 

 


   
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 Charles Bryan
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Topic starter 04/01/2024 11:15 pm  

Here are some additional photos, to show the degree of finishing and the bases better (sorry for the indoor lighting).  The carving isn't great, but I have seen worse.  The bases are entirely hand-cut, and no drill was used for anything.  The divots for the figurines were not mitered out but were cut by hand.  

I don't think they are modern, but don't think they are all that old, either.  I think Mark may be on target, maybe late 19th, or early 20th century.   But I would love to be proven wrong, and have them be older...

Thanks,

Charles

 

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04/01/2024 11:33 pm  

These look modern to me way to many V cuts.


   
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05/01/2024 12:34 am  

@lotusblack hadn't initially noticed this, that helps to keep an eye out for


   
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