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Hi guys.. 🙂
I thought I was getting to the point to where I was recognizing Jade at least in the general sense but this has me scratching my head. I found this at an estate clearance and it had a 14k gold chain attached to it. I was fairly confident it was at least a descent jade but then I showed it to a Chinese friend of mine today at the local flea mart today and he held it up to the light and said it wasn't jade?? Then he basically pointed to the large inclusion near the bottom and said that was why? I thought I would run it by you guys and get some help here. Perhaps it was a misunderstanding and he meant it wasn't Jadeite and was Nephrite perhaps?? HELP! 🙂
Sorry, I know it probably isn't old or anything... THANKS A BUNCH! I appreciate the help!
Doug
Hi Doug,
Highly probable to be jadeite jade.
This could be treated. If you have access to a UV then you can perform a simple test.
In a room (preferably dark) turn the UV light on the subject matter. If it lights up (high flourence) like a Xmas tree then it's been treated (dyed).
If not it's highly probable to be grade A jadeite.
Personally I think it's been treated. But as you already know jade ls are difficult by way of a few images.
Mark
BTW : I have been dealing/collecting jades for over 40 years.
@imperialfinegems Thank you Mark, I was hoping you would see this. I had noticed you were experienced with jade! Thank you! Can I do it with a black light light bulb? What do you recommend? I think they have some pretty inexpensive wands on Amazon I can get also. By the way, I suspected he was wrong in simply saying "This isn't jade".. At least now I know he doesn't know as much about jade as he thinks he does. lol (even if treated it is still jade, right?) I know it affects the value a LOT. Anyways.. I will get the proper light and get back to you on it.
Thank you MARK! 🙂 You rock dude! (P.S. I just ordered a rechargeable one) 🙂
Doug
I found a black light bulb I had in the closet.. Not sure if this is correct but here was the result. I also ordered a UV flashlight from Amazon so I will have one. 🙂 Thanks again Mark!
Doug
Hi Doug,
The UV bulb is probably not the best thing to use. Not sure but different wave lengths etc. To be honest I have never used one. Only the hand held UV torch.
You notice the white patches at both the inner circle and the out?
This along with the spoty green parts is often (but not conclusive) of treatment.
The plus is that it is set in 14k gold. This in itself is positive. Normally treated jade is not (but not always) set in gold.
Another tip is to shine a bright light from either side of the bi disc. Carefully view to see if the intensity of the colour is the same. If it is its a positive indication. Treated jade will look more intense from one side to the other. I learned this trick from a old timer who had 60 years experience with jades. He still buys but he is now nearly 90 years old!
Often dyed or treated jade is spotty or blotchy. Always be suspicious of pure even colour. Be very careful with spots.
I believe that more than 95% of jadeite currently on the market is treated.
For a definitive answer one would need to have it examined by a gemologist in person.
Of course if the disc fails any of the above-mentioned tests its dyed. So no need to have it examined.
It's important to mention that the UV test is not indicated of a positive test. The reason being that over the last few years they have developed a new impregnation dye that does not light up. Of course, for readers older pieces (that are known) are not effected. I know this because recently I saw a stunning Imperial jadeite bangle with a chinese certificate. If genuine it was worth 6 figures. Unfortunately when it was sent to a larger gemologily laboratory the bangle came back as treated. Even though it passed the UV test.
Buying jades is a splendid collecting experience. Both jewelry and carved figures etc.
Treated jade is obviously not worth anywhere near the price of grade A. If it's grade B or C then it's worth about 10% of a genuine one.
Hope this helps you and I hope it is genuine.
Thank you for your compliment Doug. It's very much appreciated.
Mark
Thanks Mark, I appreciate the detailed answer.. I suppose I will just keep it around to look at and enjoy myself for a while. It seems like the only way to really be sure is to send it to a gemologist and get paperwork on it.
I totally get it since every single piece I have come across in the last 20 years has been cheap.
So many cheap stones in the market that show up trying to imitate jade.. I was just happy to hear that my "friend" at the Flea Mart didn't have any idea what he was talking about saying "IT IS NOT JADE" period. I'll take "treated jade" any day over serpentine. lol 🙂
I am thrilled to have something that is for sure actually jadeite and not serpentine or some other knock off rock.. I can keep this to compare to other jewelry I find that might be jade also. 🙂
Thank you Mark for the help! I really appreciate it man!!
Doug
@imperialfinegems Can I ask you Mark, is this piece worth sending in to have it graded by a gemologist? I rarely find any good jade at estate sales etc.. This place had a lot of solid gold jewelry and expensive pieces of jewelry. The chain that this pendant was on was solid 14k and about 10 grams. (I put it in my gold pile) lol .. The wire wrap on this pendant isn't marked anywhere I could find. I guess I could acid test the metal on the mount and see if it passes also. Oh and also.. the translucence of the piece does look very even on both sides of the disk to my eye (I forgot you mentioned that)
Anyways, thanks for sharing your knowledge with me Mark!! 🙂
Doug
Hi Doug,
The jade is average quality. Nothing special or worth spending money having it analyzed. The colour is lower on the chart. There are inclusions within the stone that I can see. The stone is semi-opaque. More sought after and expensive is translucent to highly translucent.
If you perform the above tests I recommended then it's highly probable to be genuine and free from treatment.
Mark
@imperialfinegems Ok Mark, thank you very much. I understand what you mean I think. Even if its not treated it isn't an extremely valuable piece of jade. Any thought on a value so I can have a ballpark figure in case I sell it to someone down the road?
Thanks Mark.. 🙂
Doug
Hi Doug,
It would depend on whether it is treated or not (leaving aside the mount in my submission below).
If it's treated then between $10-$15.
If it is natural then about $100.
As you climb both colour intensity and translucency the prices increase dramatically. Imperial jadeite is the highest priced jade that resembles translucent emerald stone.
Hope this helps you out my friend.
Mark
Example of imperial jadeite jade:
Wow, that is beautiful!! So pure looking and very even. So the darker without light and lighter with light, the better?
Much respect my friend, thank you!
Doug
In between with high translucency. More like Colombian emerald. If that makes sense.
Imperial jadeite should be clear from black blotches and should have a even watery surface/look to it.
Below that is Apple green that can also be translucent but the colour is slightly lighter.
There are numerous types of jadeite colours that you can Google to see the differences.
Jadeite when viewed under a loupe (a must have instrument along with your UV light) will have a uneven surface like the moon. Nephrite on the other hand will be more even flat oily surface.
Collecting jade is fun. But you must be able to handle them in order to get the feeling for them. Ideally you can go to major auctions like sotheby's and christies where you can touch them etc.
Books are great also. I would recommend ones by Jessica Rawson and Sam Bernstein. Just to name two writers. Sam has written many books and is a leading expert.
Mark
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