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Hello all,
What are your thoughts on this item?
Material: spinach jade
Diameter: 8cm
Thickness: 4.5mm
I find it quite old, a bit older then late Qing (19th C) due to the overall wear - the surface especially the edges are noticeably smoothed and this wear seams very natural not intentional, which suggest older age.
What do you think?
Many thanks for your comments.
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Update: Matthew Isganatitis from FB group told me it's a modern version of ancient form, machine carved and serpentine not jade.
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Based solely on your pictures your bi disc resembles nephrite jade.
As too age. Very difficult to determine just on pictures. One needs to handle said to accurately determine both material and age.
Mark
Had another look at your disc on a larger screen.
Yes, it is modern. Signs of double lines. Poorly executed lines that overshoot. Completed with haste etc. Something you will not see on genuine pieces.
Probably serpentine. If so it will leave a white line when scratched with a pin.
Mark
I like your Bi Disc and I also think that it may be Nephrite.
Before conducting a scratch test I’d weigh it on a Jewellers scale. Then,suspended by cotton in a small container of water on the scale. Put container of water on the scale and set to ‘0’ . Then fully submerge the Disc and nite the reading. Divide wet and dry and if Nephrite it will be 2.8-3.
Nephrite varies as it is a composite of elements.
Then if you are happy to,try the scratch test.
This one of mine is 7.5cm with maximum thickness of 1cm.
British Museum advised late Qing and same with Jade expert Roger Keverne after handling and examination.
Irregular cut is not a bad thing as it generally means not machine made but you will always get conflicting views.
Vic
Hi all,
Many thanks for your comments guys!
So I did scratch test first with quite soft sawing needle and I have repeated it few times - it leaves white line that can be easily wiped off and there is no visible scratch on the surface left.
I did density test and the result is exactly 3.12
What does it mean guys? Please help as I know nothing about minerals, stones and gems at all.
Kind regards,
Adrian
P.S.
Vic - I find yours very similar to mine, at least in terms of the style of the ornaments. However I can clearly see now that the carving on yours is much more natural, like made by hand, when mine looks very stiff - all the lines are almost identical which truly makes me thinking it was done with a machine...
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Hi Adrian,
Sorry, your disc is not jade. White line means a softer material like serpentine.
Shine is correct. Personally, if said subject has a jaggered edges with additional lines overshooting the edge is a good sign of modern tooling marks. Along with double lines. When viewed appears in the shape of a V versus U. Finally whether or not the line/cut tappers out or not!
The overall look/finish will often tell you whether said is genuine or not. Modern mass produced replicas' often display a hasty finish with no regard to skill. Often look unfinished with unnatural wear and colour distortion. No attention paid to the finer details.
Hefting is another technique, however said takes many years of practice.
You will of course need a 10x loupe
Mark
Adrian,it is interesting that there is no scratch after wiping away the material. This means that the material of the Bi is harder than the object used to attempt to mark it.The residue is from the sewing needle and not the Bi Disc which is a good result. If the Disc was scratched that would be the bad result but you say no scratch so it is denser than the needle.
Where did you buy it ?
The other side of my Bi Disc.
Hi Vic,
I bought it from a guy in France (Lille), not a professional dealer, he had a very small stall with lots of junk, all was very dirty, a mixture of everything, basically rubbish, he had some dirty boxes with different items, most of it was pure rubbish. I have picked up everything he had that was looking old enough to risk some silly money and I bought the whole lot quite quickly as for some reason I dragged attention to his stall and I felt the competition's breath on my shoulders 🙂 I didn't really have time to examine it properly in those circumstances, also the whole bundle costed me peanuts, so there was no real risk of loosing money.
Honestly this is I think maybe the third item 'jade-like' that I bought as I have no knowledge about it, due to so many fakes I don't feel confident enough to invest in something I am not familiar with.
The disc itself looks natural to me, it has irregular imperfections, it's very cold, has this glass feel and sounds like glass when you tap it with something metal.
I respect and appreciate all opinions. Jade is quite expensive, Chinese are going crazy about it, so even if this a modern copy, then at least it would be good to establish what is it exactly. So far I was able to establish one fact: there is real jade and all spectrum of artificial materials imitating it that basically are not jade at all.
Thank you all for your comments, I really love how much time and attention you are all spending on discussing this item and advising me.
P.S.
Your disc is very nice, the other side is beautiful!
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