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Hi dear all!
I bought this nice jade camel... 9.5 x 16 x 5 cm (HxWxD)
Since Jade is not right up my alley, I wanted to know what you all might think of the age of this carving?
I bought it because it looks very much like a Tang or Song Dynasty carving...
Appreciate it!
with Best Regards...
Carsten
Your carving is nephrite jade in my opinion.
As to whether it is Song period or earlier would require further investigation.
I have tried to find a similar one but so far I have not found any
It certainly appears to be modeled on said period but the the way the head and eyes are depicted are of concern.
Where do you buy this from?
Mark
Hi Mark!
I bought this from a french antiques vendor who thought it to be Ming Dynasty. He sells quite nice objects, all from estate and heritage sales...
For comparison, I found this Han Dynasty Camel that looks pretty similar in style... I think 😅 a recent find on liveauctioneers...
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/58398877_chinese-white-jade-figure-of-camel-han-dynasty
with Best Regards...
Carsten
Thank you for your additional pictures.
The one from Liveauctioneers is similar but in my opinion different from yours.
Archaic jades are a very specialized area. They are not really within my area of jades.
I would recommend that you either try competant staff or possibly a museum or by contacting Sam Bernstein
www.bernsteinjadeart.com
Sam is a renowned expert on archaic jades and would be able to determine if it's real or a later copy. He has over 40 years experience and more importantly has a huge library etc. He can i believe provide you with a written opinion without possibly handling it. By way of HD pictures etc.
He does charge for his services and is not cheap. I know him and you can mention my name (Mark Adams from Australia). He may give you a discount.
Just so you know. Archaic jades are easily copied. Some to a high standard. Obviously because the market is very hot at the moment.
Provenance is also extremely important and will set the price bar. Since you don't have any of said is problematic.
But with a certified appraisal from Sam will go a long way. Especially if he states it from XYZ.
He is internationally recognized and very trusted by museums and all the major auctions.
Let me know how it all pans out. I am most interested. As I have my opinion but don't wish to disclose at the moment because I am still unsure.
Mark
Thank you very much Mark!
Yes, my comparison piece is: same same but different 😂
I'll get into touch with Mr. Bernstein and will update you when I hear back from him.
In my opinion it is most likely "in the style of XYZ Dynasty" as you are probably thinking too 😅
Thanks again!
with Best Regards...
Carsten
@detuned I’m not one to contradict the good advice that Mark has given, but before you spend money on authentication, I think you should critique the execution of the carving more closely.
The eyes of your camel lack the delicate carving exhibited in the LiveAuctioneers example you provided.
Here's a cropped version of your photo…
The proportions and sharper/ straighter edges are not like the delicate rounded edges of the LiveAuctioneers example (which also appears to have fine eyelid edges).
That jade camel is modern in my opinion. Same with the one at liveauctioneers.
Last time I checked Sam Bernstein charged $200 per hour for appraisals/authentication.
But in this case it probably wouldn't take more than a minute to see these jades are not authentic.
I didn't want to state anything about this particular carving as I am not a dealer in archaic jades etc. I am more into later carving ls etc.
My personal view is that it's a 20th century example. But to confirm you would need the opinion of Sam.
The carving has some unusual traits. The eyes as pointed out are not done with precision. The head is odd. The nostrils and mouth are poorly depicted. The overall proportions are put. It's been sand blasted to give a look of weatherd finish. Also possibly but can't confirm is this. It looks like double lines of a modern drill.
Just to muddy the waters and one reason why I don't or rarely offer opinions on archaic jades jades is simply. I once saw a very nice carving that the owner thought was Han period or something like that.
I thought it was much later. As did all the jade people I know.
However, to my surprise Sam stated it was authentic and certified it as such.
I have no appreciation for archaic jades as collectors probably don't have have appreciatuon for 19th century carvings.
Mark
Here a few examples I have found for comparison.
Note the exquisite styling and carvers mastery. Then compare it to yours and the one from Liveauctioneers. It should be obvious that the finish, for one is not right at all. It could even (high probability) not be nephrite jade!
The first two are from the late Ming period. The first one is from Christies. The other from Sam Bernstein. Note the distinct way the eyes were carved during this period. Now compare with the Song one. Lastly compare with your one and the one from the auction.
The last two are genuine Song period. Take note of the eyes, ears, mouth and finish!
So it's probably not worth asking Sam as after viewing other known examples and comparing them to yours. Yours is a modern copy. Poorly carved and terrible finish with a sand blastered finish!
Now whether it is jade or not is another question. I personally think not.
Regards,
Mark
I might have to eat my words about the jade camel at liveauctioneers. The russet color looks like it's added but this was common in the Ming dynasty.
I also thought it looked weird with the bear and the large ears but it is not necessarily incorrect. The curves are actually fluid and attractive now when I took a closer look.
Here are some related examples.
I totally understand your doubts about the style of the carving... but when you look around you find various degrees of artistic skill...
This Pixiu sold at Schneibel Fine Arts for example:
Not saying the camel is authentic... 😉 @Avatar could be totally right!
with Best Regards...
Carsten
The example from schneible is not old. It's been treated.
I had a quick look at their other jades on offer. All are fake! I didn't go through them all. Just the first two pages.
It's funny, the prices asked are ridiculously low for what they are claiming them to be!
Mark
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