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Topic starter 17/04/2021 8:19 pm  

This big monster has been sitting in a local shop and I finally took some pictures of it. The seller has it labelled as 20th c and is asking $1800 for it. It's the first one of these I've seen in person. I must say that it is rather striking. Is this brand new? It does seem to have been made with quite a bit of precision. If this is handmade, even if new, I'd have to say I'm impressed.

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17/04/2021 8:26 pm  

I’m figuring 1980


   
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17/04/2021 8:56 pm  

+1

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18/04/2021 2:12 am  

I can't focus in, it is blurry, so can't really comment.  The grit is interesting, if that is grit?  What does the label say and what kind of shop is this? 


   
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18/04/2021 5:55 am  

@johnshoe 

Hi Johnshoe -

Attached images for comparison,

This shape is called a ‘tianqiuping, the vase posted is coping a well know Imperial motif, ‘nine peaches’,  first seen in the Yongzheng period, image 1 ...

The Qianlong Emperor was very fond of this composition, and numerous examples in differing forms are known. Images 2/3 show a QL m/p vase sold Lot 15, Sotheby’s HK, 5 October 2013, ex Meiyintang Coll, for HK$90 million ...

The motif was copy throughout the 19th C, an example of such been sold Lot 51, Bonhams LD 16 May 2013, image 4, and copies have continued to be made from the second half 20th C ... 

I have seen several examples of these, all modern, in HK over the last 20 years ... 

Stuart 

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18/04/2021 7:58 am  

I think newer than 1980's.  Chinese antiques were the hot item coming out of Hong Kong in the 1980's, but I don't think the copies of the Qianlong pieces came until the 2000's.

I think the reason being is that Tang & Han dynasty items were all the rage back then, and not so much Qing dynasty.  Things like huanghuali, rhino horn, ivory, and Qing porcelain came back to the USA in the hands of tourists.

The 1980's vases that I have seen that emulate large examples of Qianlong porcelain are really well done.  The vase you show lacks some attention to the crisp lines and design that I would expect from a true vintage piece.

In fact, if it was actually 1980's, the asking price would not be outrageous.  


   
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Topic starter 18/04/2021 8:15 am  

@greeno107  That's good info to know. I was wondering what to price this at as a modern reproduction piece. The nuances between 1980 and 2010's and on would be interesting to learn more about. I was looking at some 19th and 18th C examples, and it would be interesting to line up several of these to span the different eras and compare. 


   
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Topic starter 18/04/2021 10:02 am  

@julia  It is an antique consignment shop. It is just labelled as 20th C Chinese vase. 


   
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18/04/2021 10:27 am  

@johnshoe I have a nice 1989's vase with Qianlong mark that I bought for $75 due to a large hairline. I'll post when I'm home tonight. 

It's not a peach vase, but you'll see what I mean about the quality of rendering.


   
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Topic starter 18/04/2021 10:31 am  

@greeno107  Great I look forward to checking it out. Post pics of your new wooden pieces too!


   
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Topic starter 18/04/2021 10:38 am  

@greeno107  By the way, since getting into Asian antiques and learning about these things, I have to say I find the whole quality obsession, with a small hairline dramatically decreasing the value of something etc to be totally ridiculous. So you can add that to my annoyance list which includes that cyclical dating nonsense and anything related to people not paying what they owe after winning an auction, etc. At any rate, the quality thing makes great things available to buy and own, so that is a silver lining. Just a problem for the resale. 


   
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18/04/2021 8:59 pm  

@johnshoe Here's a very nice 1980's vase which was sadly damaged prior to my ownership.

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