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Topic starter 21/05/2019 7:44 pm  

Hello,

I think this vase is late 19thC early 20thC. Could you guys give me your expert opinion please? 

 


   
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22/05/2019 2:01 am  

I think this might be a late 19th century piece yes , the dragon , glaze and footrim look to be of that period , nice close-up of the dragons face would be nice , but a nice piece from what i can see.

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22/05/2019 2:34 am  

That looks to be a nice sized vase - assuming those are standard-sized bricks.  I see there are lots of small breaks in the outline of the dragon.  Is that wear or is this transfer-printed?  I can't see well enough to be sure, but there must be an explanation for the broken lines and missing patches.


   
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Topic starter 22/05/2019 7:11 am  

Thank you Carl and Julia for your reply. Here is a closed up shot of the dragon’s face. 

This is a large vase like you said, Julia. It is measured 47 cm tall, and 92 cm at the largest point for circumference. (18.5 in tall and 36.2 in in circumference).

I am not sure why those breaks are there either. Certain spot does look like transfer print, but it is definitely hand painted for the most part... but hard to know why those breaks are there. When did they start using transfer print? On a wild thought, could it be Japanese? But Japanese porcelain, isn't it always very fine, smooth, and super white?! 

 

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22/05/2019 2:45 pm  

I read somewhere recently, that the main thrust of Chinese printed (or partially printed with hand painting) wares was circa 1900 up to WW2 when it was, apparently, abandoned. This would make sense as far as your vase is concerned because it has all the attributes of a late 19th century vase but made to meet the demand for Chinese porcelain during the 1920s craze? 

I don’t know if that makes any sense, but I would say that your vase is, at least, partially printed. I cannot think of any other reason for that gapping which seems localised to certain elements of the design.

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22/05/2019 2:48 pm  

I agree with Nic and Julia , It does look partially printed so a good observation by Julia and Nic's idea of that pushing it into the early to mid 20th century makes a lot of sense. I actually didn't realise the size of the vase at first. 

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Topic starter 22/05/2019 6:37 pm  
Posted by: NicDan

I read somewhere recently, that the main thrust of Chinese printed (or partially printed with hand painting) wares was circa 1900 up to WW2 when it was, apparently, abandoned. This would make sense as far as your vase is concerned because it has all the attributes of a late 19th century vase but made to meet the demand for Chinese porcelain during the 1920s craze? 

I don’t know if that makes any sense, but I would say that your vase is, at least, partially printed. I cannot think of any other reason for that gapping which seems localised to certain elements of the design.

Nic

Awesome. Thanks for the info Nic. 


   
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23/05/2019 3:41 am  

I would add that transfer printing clearly wasn’t completely abandoned as can be seen in the many later vases that have transfer printing around the necks and bases of vases. 

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23/05/2019 4:31 pm  

Example of obvious transferware 

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F113715209065  


   
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Topic starter 23/05/2019 8:41 pm  
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Example of obvious transferware 

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F113715209065  

Thanks Nic. This brush pot is definitely 100% printed all the way. Wish I know exactly how much of mine was printed or printed at all!?!. Hard to tell. 

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23/05/2019 9:16 pm  

I am somewhat dubious about this vase. The pattern does not match anything I have ever seen before.  Whoever decorated it threw in everything except the kitchen sink! The background seems to be imitating the crackle pattern of blue prunus vases, but there are no prunus flowers or tree elements. The flowers (or are they clouds?) are poorly done lacking any interior detail. If they are flowers, what sort of flowers are they supposed to represent? Then bats are thrown in for good measure. The foot looks on the old side. I would think this is a late  twentieth century vase.

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Topic starter 23/05/2019 10:35 pm  
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I am somewhat dubious about this vase. The pattern does not match anything I have ever seen before.  Whoever decorated it threw in everything except the kitchen sink! The background seems to be imitating the crackle pattern of blue prunus vases, but there are no prunus flowers or tree elements. The flowers (or are they clouds?) are poorly done lacking any interior detail. If they are flowers, what sort of flowers are they supposed to represent? Then bats are thrown in for good measure. The foot looks on the old side. I would think this is a late  twentieth century vase.

Errol

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I think it was just clouds and a single dragon hidden among them. I need to look for the bats in it. ? I didn’t look carefully enough to see any bats. 

Those are fire actually. Not bats. It is a typical dragon chase flaming pearls among the clouds. 

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