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I think that this cup is a 19th C. chinese export teacup. 2 5/8" h; 4 3/8" diameter bowl. the women have gold specks in the hair so if put this c. 1850 +/-. i guess it would be famille rose. any disagreements?
i understand what you are thinking, but my cup is most certainly Chinese. I think that the Chinese were attempting to appeal to English fashion by emulating their handles. But what your cup shows is that mine and yours are contemporaries and i would date yours to c. 1820/30. Consequently mine would be in the same general time frame which is very compatible with Brian's estimate.
@tonyatl Your cup is certainly a better example than other cups of English chinoiserie that I could find examples for online, a fairly good one in Australia but I'm sure you are correct that the Chinese could have copied the English style handles for that market. Let's wait for the opinions of Birgit, Julia and others regarding the painting of the faces and costumes.
@tonyatl Your cup is certainly a better example than other cups of English chinoiserie that I could find examples for online, a fairly good one in Australia but I'm sure you are correct that the Chinese could have copied the English style handles for that market. Let's wait for the opinions of Birgit, Julia and others regarding the painting of
the faces and costumes.
i hate to admit but the faces do look more european than chinese. after thinking about this some more, i have to concede that the cup is english. here is another example - it is not as convincing as my cup, but it illustrates the idea.
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I keep going back and forth on this one, so I can only add that they made this form in China, and also in the UK with Chinese designs. The enameling looks English to me, though. Curious to see what others have to say:
I think it is Chinese, possibly in the 1830-1860 area. The inner rim border was popular earlier but I feel the heavy black colour puts it later. Hopefully Birgit or Mark will know. I see this as Canton Rose Mandarin in style.
Hi Tony, I think your cup is Chinese from the 1820s. A very nice precursor to what later in the century became the rather uniform Rose Mandarin pattern.
I find this cup interesting as it is like a step on a style pathway between earlier Qianlong scenes and the later more-stereotypical rose mandarin. I just looked at the faces thread on Gotheborg and need to bring down my estimate a tad. I would agree the date is probably mid first half of 18thc.
Here's a slightly later one, but still before 1850. You can already see the Rose Mandarin pattern developing (the floor the ladies sit on, the curtains and windows)
thank you everyone for contributing - i hope that others continue to comment. this episode is an example of the old advice, when taking multiple choice tests, to stick with your first answer. The fact that John was able to produce an example of a Chinese teacup having what might otherwise be an English form makes my original assumption most plausible if not correct. And I like the comments from those who observed that the decoration is an important evolutionary step leading to the standardized canton, mandarin, and medallion styles. This, to me, lends credence to an earlier, rather than later, date.
also, to the point about facial phenotypes, the Chinese porcelain makers were known to cater to their target markets. So the lack of distinctly Chinese faces is not as "damning" as it seemed when i wrote during the early morning hours.
John - i love that teacup - thank you for showing it.
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