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Great work John. I agree with all of the above. Very unseemly. I would never buy from this vendor after having seen this. He knows it s a fake, then he puts it up for auction in a lot labeled 18th to 20th century? Terrible.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
It's already at $600!
This is disgraceful - a so called 'reputable' dealer relisting a piece that he clear know's is a fake and trying to offload it amongst a mixed lot!!
Stuart
To me , this is acceptable. He doesn't say the items are all old or antique, but is letting the buyers decide. Saying they range from C18th through the C20th is a clear signal that some may not be very old at all.
tam
I suppose the option is there for buyers to request the dates of the individual items. As he has given a time range, he must know that one is 18th c and one is 20th. If I were going to bid, I might request that information and ask him to give me an estimate as to the dates of the others; as an experienced dealer I would expect him to be able to answer that.
Hi Julia,
For some reason things like this make me livid. I suppose we should wait for an explanation, for those of us deeming that one is warranted. It is possible that the owner may have a staff handling some of the work, and an employee may have made a misstep.
take it with a grain of salt
I think if a seller is genuinely unsure as to the authenticity of a piece, this practice is OK. But he knows! So he’s essentially either waiting for someone clueless like me to come along or hoping the other items will tempt someone to buy the lot. It’s possible that someone else will buy it and try and sell that piece as authentic, thus the cycle of fraud continues.
Nic
I don't disagree with any of you. The point I was making (badly - had to go to work earlier than usual!) was that it would be interesting to know what he would say about that jar, if he was asked. He has said one at least is 20th c, does he mean that one?
Almost certainly he is hoping that people won't ask and may assume that jar is an older item thereby pushing the price of the lot higher than it may warrant. Anyone able to give a vague indication of the value of that lot without that piece included? Is $600 a fair price for the other three - sounds a lot to me! If so, is the 4th item is raising the price?
I did post the two jars on another forum. Someone actually said the Ebay one might be genuine because the blue color is clearer than the Taobao one. It has multiple shades rather than a smear of blue on the Taobao jar. The painting of the lion is slightly different. Also the rabbit mark is better than the Taobao jar. The black dots on the Ebay one are smaller and fewer.
Not sure if Josh actually consulted other experts. Maybe he received different feedback.
What do you guys think of this peach bloom water drop? It was sold by Josh on 2/25/19 for 1009 dollars but is relisted. It has similarly dirty foot rims and black dots as the lion jar.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F153437570050
Hi John,
Think you have put the wrong link just go's to Ebay.
Michael
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