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I found this bowl in a thrift store for couple of dollars. Monochrome is my weakness the bowl is very finely potted it was done on a wheel. Foot is trimmed very nicely. Could this be antique or a modern copy it shows a lot of ware. Plus there is no crackle
A couple of questions come to mind.
Is the glaze too bright and shiny? Can you directly compare it with a known 18th monochrome glazed piece? The red glaze looks very well controled which is usually a problem for very late 18th and most of the 19th century pieces.
It could be the pictures, but the shape looks rather flattened compared to typical 18th century bowl shapes. Have you come across other 18th century bowls with the same proportions?
Is the foot rim pure white with no variation in paste color? Looking for a tan discoloration in the paste at the glaze boundary. Is the white glaze on the base slightly bluish in pooled areas of the glaze? Are there clean knife marks from the potter shaping the foot into a v shape or a more rounded shaped rim?
These types of pieces really need to be handled in person.
Hi Brian -
William raises some good questions concerning this piece, especially regarding the shape/proportions, glaze tone/ending of and trimming of the footrim ...
The third image appears to show either chipping or ereguler trimming to part of the outer footrim edge - are these recent and/or perhaps deliberately done to give an impression of age/ware. Does the interior/exterior glaze surfaces exhibit signs of natural/genuine ware ...
I would also add that the footrim appears rather high, Qing pieces generally tend to have a proportionally lower footrim to that found on Ming pieces, although this may be the images ...
William is quite correct, monochrome pieces, more then most, really need to be handled ...
Stuart
The only oxblood piece I have is a 19th and 20th century period. The bowl is not like either. The bowl in my opinion is better potted. The blue tint is there and ware present on the inside. The foot is trimmed. I do think the bowl is late 18th century. But yes need a known 18th century piece to compare. I will take pictures in natural light.
I do need to find a comparable that is flattened and I’m not sure about the chipping on the foot. The deep base I have seen on many pieces from 18th and 19th.
I had the bowl looked at today by a friend he thinks it might be Kangxi period. He told me that modern monochrome of this type are not turned on a wheel and wood kiln fired. You can see the turning on the base. He also talked about the fine turning on the exterior of the bowl. And that the tone is correct. Here are pictures in natural lighting. You can see the ware and scratches. I need to learn more about monochrome’s.
@lotusblack Could it be late 19 early 20th? On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being silky smooth, how would you rate the feel of the foot?
@johnshoe it could anything but today I was correct I called it Oxblood and was told it’s Copper Red glaze. Lol I did find a comparable. I’ll let you know about smoothness when I get home
Sorry about the errors it should say I was corrected about calling oxblood when it’s called copper red glaze.
@johnshoe I would say it’s a 7 to 8 on smoothness. So I curious what does the smoothness tell a person.
@lotusblack In general, the older ones have smoother feeling feet. I've had several late 19th/20th C examples and they have a slight roughness to the feel.
@johnshoe I compared the bowl to my other 18th century bowls and is consistent. But look a this picture of glaze stoppage at foot my understanding is this is 18th century technique.
Hi Brian -
The Christies bowl cited is rather different in shape/form, with slightly out-turned rim, different curved sides and, from the image, is higher ...
As William mentioned, look for some comparable 18th century examples, perhaps in museum or auction houses databases ...
Stuart
Hi Brian,
it is a nice bowl, I too would have bought it at that price. My first comment, in reading, was that it is not oxblood but copper red, but I see that you have already been corrected. The other point that I would comment and that should be corrected is the wear, not ware. It is not really convincing, in some points it looks artificial, but I am not totally sure. The shape as already said by others is too much squat.
But it is a nice bowl and could be surprising at a direct inspection.
Regards
Giovanni
A 19th C example. Unfortunately I don't have a log-in for this site.
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