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 Charles Bryan
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Topic starter 02/07/2025 1:22 am  

Hi All,

My first impression of this vase was that probably modern, and possibly Japanese, as I have never seen this type of decoration before on Chinese porcelain.  But various features make me think in is Chinese, and possibly Kangxi, or at least Kangxi revival. It is definitely hand-thrown.

Specifically, it has that ring around the neck, which is a typical Kangxi feature, and the foot rim looks pretty good for Kangxi.  The porcelain is incredibly dense and white and glassy, and smooth to the touch, like you might expect for Kangxi porcelain.  Is this a known design for Kangxi porcelain, with prunus blossoms on one side, and a different flower on the other side?

Not sure what those little features are at the top of the neck--maybe dragons? 

There are a few oddities.  The two circles on the bottom appear to be black, but they were blue when applied--they turned black where they penetrated the glaze.  You can see the same effect in places on the neck ring, where the cobalt decoration penetrates the glaze.  Is this a feature of Kangxi B&W--some sort of heaping and piling effect?  

Also, there is a straight edge that intersects the blue decoration; it is very clear in some places.  It is tempting to attribute this to a slight offset in a transfer pattern, but it is not!   The line extends all the way around the neck of the vase, right at the change in slope between the body and the neck.  It crosses the white areas too (see the last photo).  It slightly affects the cobalt decoration, but does NOT actually penetrate the clear glaze anywhere along its path, indicating that it is actually a drying or firing crack.

The dense, white, slick porcelain suggests to me that this might be a Kangxi vase, but the design is not familiar to me, and I could not find any comps.   Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Charles  

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02/07/2025 1:49 am  

This one isn't easy and is very subjective. 

It definitely has Chinese trends to it. But the overall shape and look is Japanese imo. 

Very beautiful. 

Mark 


   
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02/07/2025 5:58 am  

I agree it's Japanese. The painting is different from the Chinese prunus pattern. The line seems to be a luting line. They couldn't make the vase in one piece, the neck is too narrow. 

Birgit


   
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02/07/2025 6:16 am  

I'm not convinced either way yet. The vase has some age and the way the circle is done is a Chinese type not Japanese. It's very beautiful and seems like it could be unique. It's worthy of getting some expert opinions for sure. 


   
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02/07/2025 4:18 pm  

@kifby13 

Hi Charles - 

The glaze to the base seems to lack the know, typical Kangxi characteristics, and it also appears very ‘white’, although this may be the lighting and/or image quality? …

Also, the footrim exhibits very little/no signs of ware, and again appears very ‘white’ …

This type of reserved white upon blue painting style originated in the Yuan dynasty, and continued to be used throughout the Ming and Qing dynasties …

A question; is there also any indication of a ridge around the body? You may need to gently feel/run your hands over this area to determine …

The overall painting style, especially the clouds underneath the mouthrim, and shape possible indicate this is Japanese rather than  Chinese, perhaps mid to late 20th century? But just my opinion, I could very well be wrong …

It’s a very striking piece …

Stuart 

 

 

 


   
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02/07/2025 4:21 pm  

@kirby13 

Hi Charles - my apologies, I misspelt your hashtag ..!!🙄🫣😂

Stuart 


   
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Topic starter 02/07/2025 10:29 pm  

Hi, All.   

Thanks for the input.  Stuart, three are very faint ridges on the body, showing that it was hand-thrown.  But other than the faint line where the slope changes and the neck is attached (I think Birgit is right and it is essentially a luting line), there are no obvious ridges on the body.  

I think you are all correct that it is not old.  But it still looks Chinese to me--my hunch is it is a modern vase.  I think I will ask Peter for his opinion...

Charles

 


   
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