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Sadoqyo
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Topic starter 17/06/2021 6:08 pm  

Hello my friends, finally after a great period of learning about chinese art, I can say that my journey of finding and collecting great pieces just began, I have found some items that I'm quite confident in and some that I don't, so your help is very important for me, all the pieces that I will show you still in the hands of their respected owners, and I have a reservation time to make my decision:

1- Qialong bowl:

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195586838 4779400525421336 6360826295840819251 n
195448446 4779400522088003 2738830978785188384 n

 

2 - Kangxi vase:

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191445214 526265965196915 7419271581219655519 n
190840551 526265961863582 8788103012799838157 n
190355983 526265945196917 9196711322967821867 n

3 - garlic form vase + I don't know if it's chinese or not:(no footrim image)

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172256016 3442849619148440 2303609712647000869 n
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4 - famille rose big vase:

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7
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5
2
1

5 - tongzhi mark on unusual vaseused as a lamp, the base doesn't seems old and I don't know if it is iron red or modern painting:

1 (2)
1 (3)
1 (1)
1 (4)
1 (5)
1 (6)

6 - little cup: 

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198326749 1108531419670536 4024196304955127972 n
197411706 1108531423003869 4899793871312635218 n
197153708 1108531426337202 8623180614384767801 n

7 - and finally this Celadon big chargers:

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200107994 10166076998810713 7882304468472912277 n
199993599 10166076998950713 3012977496557060062 n
199809926 10166076998915713 6441542629703885129 n
199538660 10166076998850713 610593904182136995 n
198201906 10166076998860713 553629644868562779 n
195405047 10166077005880713 5937156955299567194 n

 

I know it's a long post, but I thought it would be better to do it this way than separating them into small posts.


   
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Sadoqyo
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Topic starter 17/06/2021 6:18 pm  

I know you guys:

@julia @tam18 @johnshoe
@imperialfinegems @xin_fawis
@shinigami @brettm @plcombs
@watership @short-dong
@sharonp @nicdan @ronm
@ming1449 @gfhandel
@clayandbrush @john-steward

might be busy, but I think it will be so enlightening to hear your opinion about this subject.


   
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Brian Crowe
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17/06/2021 6:59 pm  

The QL bowl is modern in my opinion shape glaze and mark are off. I would only post one item as two many just confuse the entire thread.


   
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Adams Asian Art
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17/06/2021 7:59 pm  

Hi Ibrahim,

1. The Qianlong ribbed bowl is in my opinion a modern copy. The facial images and hair styles are interesting. This style first appeared in the late Qianlong period but was more commonly used during the late 19th century to early 20th century. You will note no natural wear which is unusual but not impossible to find. The shading on the clothing is poorly done.

2. The garlic vase. This one could be 19th century example. But would need to be handled and or better images. 

3. The famille rose big vase. This one is on my opinion from the 50's. It's a interpretation of sorts to a earlier republican period vase. You will note the gold leaf is gold paint. Has potential. 

4. The Tongzhi marked vase. Iron red chinese vase. This one is modern. The images are poorly depicted and very static. Of note is there are or appears to be no natural flaws from handling etc.

5. The dragon chargers are not my area. But I suspect they are  modern interpretation.

Are these all being offered by the same seller or multiple ones?

Just my opinion based on your images. Different people may have differing opinions on the pieces I posted about.

Mark 

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Sharon P
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17/06/2021 8:10 pm  

I like the lamped orange and gold lamp but with the faded red stamp double square mark, it looks Republic, but better wait for confirmation from our Republic collectors, the fritting on the base looks okay to me. I could be off base, but the double square red mark from seventies and later looks different. Compare your mark to the Guangzu period on Gotheborg, looks similar but might be later.  Sharon


   
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Sharon P
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17/06/2021 11:38 pm  

Guangxu is 1875-1908, compare with the last mark for that period on the Gotheborg list of Chinese marks while waiting for other opinions.


   
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Shinigami
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18/06/2021 1:24 am  

Bowl no.1 is 1980s or later. Vase no.4 seems to be from the 1920s and is quite nice, especially if undamaged. More detailed pictures of the ladies would be helpful.

Birgit


   
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Shinigami
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18/06/2021 1:33 am  

Vases no.2 and 3 and the celadon plates could be modern. Vase no.5 probably second half of the 20th century. Teacup no. 6 could be late 19th century. But that’s just a quick guess. 

Birgit


   
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18/06/2021 2:09 am  

I think the only ones of interest may be 4 and 6. I took into account Mark's comments about the vase as I think the calligraphy is a little large or unsubtle, but the rest looks fine for around 1920s, maybe?  I tried to find the mark on the cup but couldn't  but I would say it has some age.

The garlic vase may be Japanese. As for the rest, definitely don't buy the first one!  I think the lamp is hand-painted, but it looks really stiff and quite new. I don't like the look of the dragon plates either, especially as there are two of them.

The Kangxi vase has taken me a bit of time, the base does look old, if the mark was 4 characters I may have thought it might be an old copy, but the colour also seems off and as I searched I found other similar items on eBay, but nothing from what I might consider a reliable source. So I would leave that too.


   
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Adams Asian Art
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18/06/2021 4:32 am  

I made a error in my earlier post about the vase #4. Should have written 50's and not 70's. So I have amended said.

It could be from the 1920's as suggested by Birgit and Julia. The faces certainly fit into the earlier period. But there is something about it I can't figure out. It would need to be handled etc. It certainly has potential if it's a earlier example and damage free. The wear on the gilt/paint is certainly consistent with the 1920's. As are the facial features and clothing styling. The stand looks later but that doesn't really mean anything of substance. Just an observation. It could just be later as are most of them etc. 

But these were carried through to the early PROC. Although most were of a different design. Especially the banded top and base.

Mark 


   
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Shinigami
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18/06/2021 4:44 am  

In my opinion there’s nothing wrong with Vase no.2. I have a vase with the same handles, and the writing on the back is also typical. Most of the authentic Republic vases seem to be made during the 1920s. I think there was a huge demand in the West at that time. It would be interesting to know if there’s a date on it. I don’t see one but I’m still desperately trying to learn to recognize the dates. 

Birgit


   
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Adams Asian Art
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18/06/2021 5:34 am  

Hi Birgit,

Your probably right. Might be the flash/pictures. 😁

Mark 


   
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Shinigami
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18/06/2021 5:59 am  

Sorry I meant vase no.4

Birgit


   
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Topic starter 19/06/2021 9:47 am  

thanks guys all of you(@julia @imperialfinegems @shinigami @lotusblack@sharonp ) for your responses, you really helped me a lot,all those pieces are from different sellers in different locations, Mr. Peter has reviewed them and this is what he said:

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Based on the images provided, the vase is of a fairly well known type that were imported from China into Europe between 1920 and 1949.  Auctioneers typically describe them as being "19th to 20th C." . I however think they were all made during the Republic period between 1915 and the mid 1930's. They are typically very well made and are stylistically decorated consistent with the dating suggested above.
 
Below are some links to auction prices similar vases brought a few years ago in a sale in Belgium that can guide you on what to expect selling it if you buy it. 
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https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/67073663_a-pair-of-chinese-famille-rose-vases-with-sages-in-a&source=gmail&ust=1624196592159000&usg=AFQjCNGuT3PnWZHyuBCZuQEoq6WHBisuq w"> https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/67073663_a-pair-of-chinese-famille-rose-vases-with-sages-in-a
 
and
 
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/67073666_a-chinese-famille-rose-liu-hai-vase-1920th-c&source=gmail&ust=1624196592159000&usg=AFQjCNGb70K5t5c82qBF_jzSpSNsQI1J2 g"> https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/67073666_a-chinese-famille-rose-liu-hai-vase-1920th-c
 
and 
 
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/67073661_a-chinese-famille-rose-two-sided-design-vase-1920th&source=gmail&ust=1624196592159000&usg=AFQjCNFj71EhCeLz4OWVsqAqikkrbttW6 g"> https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/67073661_a-chinese-famille-rose-two-sided-design-vase-1920th
 
and
 
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/70743017_three-chinese-famille-rose-vases-1920th-c&source=gmail&ust=1624196592159000&usg=AFQjCNHhzUqet8UjsgoZq5ZTBroPhR8KY Q"> https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/70743017_three-chinese-famille-rose-vases-1920th-c
 
Auction Value: $700 to $1,000 on average. 
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for the wine cup, do you think guys that it has some value? some Chinese expert said it would only bring 50 $ in an auction, and I don't believe him.
 

   
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19/06/2021 10:01 am  

I tend to think the person who said $50 may be correct.  It may make a bit more, who knows, but I feel the market for such items would be smaller even though the cup may be older than the vase mainly because if you want to buy something to display a vase will appeal to more people.

If I were going to buy one of the items, I would choose the vase, but if you are planning on selling it on, then it depends on the price they are asking as you will have to take into account postage to get it to you and then any marketplace fees you may have to pay.


   
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