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I recently purchased these three large molded servers from a local shop in Colorado my second home. I have been informed that they are early Japanese porcelain plate. 17th century. But I need more data as to dating because I will be selling these in the future. No one I talked to has seen them or comparisons but I know members here have amazing knowledge. One of the reasons I am showing these is much is talked about spur marks one of the plates has a spur still intact. This makes this a great study. Thanks
I forgot to mention the blue glaze is on top of the white glaze coated with a third transparent glaze. These are signs of early Imari Arita porcelain. I will show close ups of the clear glaze separating. Either way them plates surviving together is rare in it self.
Very attractive, love the design! How big are they - I assume a server is a plate size? I am a bit puzzled why one plate only has one spur and the other you show has several.
Like Mark I find these are not the easiest to date, but I also think late Edo maybe 1850.
Thanks Brian. I wasn't sure the difference in size was just a distortion from where you were standing when taking the photos.
@julia I was standing about 3 feet. So the smallest is 12 inches across 2nd one is 13 inches and the largest is 14 inches. My early Imari date is solely based on Met Museums information I am posting it below. The shape of the plates and design does not fit with anything I have seem. I’m wondering if these where made in China for Japanese market but Chinese didn’t use spur or overglaze it’s enamels.
Most early Imari pieces feature designs painted in cobalt blue on a white ground, then coated in a transparent glaze, in the style known as underglaze blue (1975.268.477). The porcelain has a coarse, grainy texture and the designs are generally carried out by a free, fluid hand. The technique of painting pictoral designs under a clear glaze was sometimes employed on Karatsu ware, so early Imari may have in part stemmed from this earlier tradition.
Here is the picture of the transparent glaze chipping off the white body the blue colbalt reminds me of Kangxi colbalt. I’m not saying it is. And a picture of the course grit.
Better picture of transparent glaze. I forgot to mention the plates were gilded but the gilding has worn off.
They are a beautiful set and nice sizes, too.
I still think the back is very late Edo/ possibly early Meiji from which you can tell I still think Japanese. I feel the cranes decoration is very Japanese (I think we had a thousand cranes plate on here before) as well as the back. I am not convinced it is earlier, the colours, the style of decoration on the back.
What is it you find unusual about the shape? Do you mean unusual for Japanese full stop or or for a certain time frame?
On the other hand, I am pretty certain a very large Chinese plate I own, also has a spur. It is what is referred to as pre-bencharong by some people and described as 18th c. I am not sure, I feel mine are 19th. Apart from the spur and the shape there jsn't a lot of similarity - the reverses seem to be plain, spur marks are an exception, and the colours are usually quite bright and vibrant.
I am fairly sure yours are Japanese but you may want to check that Chinese style out.
Ah, I thought you meant the shape! 😊
I would guess they are decorative items then.possibly made at a time when the more middling social classes (economically) could spare the money to purchase decorative pieces indicative of their increasing financial security and to copy the more wealthy members of society.
That is all I can think of. Will see if I can turn up moulded items later.
@julia thanks I can’t understand why they added a Qainlong mark? That’s another day. I sent the plates off for Peter to review. I’m going to sell them and not mislead on time and value. I believe if the are late Edo or Meiji they will still make a good server set. I don’t know a value on something like this Peter has better knowledge. But I’m hopeful for a few hundred dollars.
I would be, too. I think they are lovely. The Ken mark can be seen on Gotheborg in the Japanese marks section. There may be some explanation there. Let us know what Peter says. Fingers crossed!
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