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I'm wondering if this would qualify as a hundred boys yen yen vase? Not sure what qualifies a piece to get the hundred boys label. There are 32 human figures plus the dragon. Also, my sense is that it could be late 19th or maybe early 20th C. so I would like to know if you all concur with that dating. It has a few chips to the rim but I got it for next to nothing so I'm hoping it was a very good purchase. Thanks for your insights! Cheers! John
Yes you are correct. This is a Yen Yen vase and themed on the 100 boys.
It's nicely decorated and hand painted (from what I can see although blurry) but not from the period you think it's from.
In my opinion it's from the fourth quarter of the 20th century. The way the trees, leaves, boys faces are not consistent with 19/20th century examples or even republican period 1912-1949.
The turquoise glaze is also not correct for the 19/20th period where the glaze tended to be a more greenish-blue. Republic period tended to be a more turquoise. More modern tends to be a mix of bluish glaze to turquoise. I think we discussed this recently with a bowl you posted.
I can't emphasize enough that if you are going to seriously purchase late Qing or republican period porcelain that you obtain a number of reference books I have previously posted/recommended. In addition try to view and or handle as much as you can.
I know at first it can be frustrating and daunting. But believe me the pieces will fall into place in no time.
In the meantime enjoy your vase for its beauty and as a study piece.
Mark
Above from 1930's
Above from 1950's by Zhou Xiangfu
Above 1920's - 1930's
If it wasn’t for the strange turquoise bottom I would say it’s authentic Guangxu. The faces look good to me. Even the thick pink enamel with the impurities is present in the dragon. But I might well be wrong, especially as the pictures are not very good.
I agree with Mark in the advice to learn from books and handling many items.
Another good way to learn is to buy small, affordable but 100% authentic items from reputable dealers, as Michael has done with his plates from Shangrila Antiques. It’s better than groping around blindly on Ebay, as some people do, always hoping to find an authentic item for little money. Instead they are cluttering their house with fakes. This is not said against you, John, please don’t take it personally, just a general observation.
Birgit
@shinigami I am definitely learning about this field from a variety of angles, including all the ones you and Mark have mentioned. I would love to handle more authentic pieces and do so whenever I can. I appreciate all the sound and helpful advice you are all giving. I am not afraid to take chances but I am also being cautious. No big purchases, just little finds and lots of research. And so far I've not bought anything on Ebay. My purchases happen at local sales and shops where I can see and touch the items and try to gather as much information as I can about history. When possible I check with you all or Peter first, and otherwise research before buying something. But this was a random purchase from a stop at second hand store during a weekend drive. For $25 I was willing to roll the dice. I also was wondering about the turquoise base and interior. This vase feels older to me than things from the late 20th century, so I'm still not so sure. It resembles more the pieces I have that are authenticated from 1900 era. One thing about the interior turquois glaze is that it only goes down about half way. Is that normal and does it tip us off to dating it one way or another? Also, Birgit, when you say "if it wasn't for the turquois glaze..." do you mean that in Guangxu the bottom was never turquois or do you mean the shade of turquois seems off?
Hi John, with handling first what you intend to buy you have a very good approach. I personally don’t know what to make of your vase and hope we will get some more opinions about it. The turquoise on the bottom looks a bit thick and sloppily applied. It looks a bit strange, like a later addition.
Birgit
Dear all,
although I concur in seeing the turquoise blue strange, looking a later application by brush as said by Birgit, the vase is Guangxu period to me.
The style of painting, the type of enamels, the paste and shape of the foot too are ok for that dating.
It is not yenyen, it is a baluster vase.
The decoration is not one hundred boys, it is a common motif related to a Chinese festivity, the Dragon boat festival or else, I am not expert about traditions, but as said it is a well-known motif.
As said many times, it is not reliable to judge the shade of colors on images seen on the computer. It changes from one monitor to other, if John will take two pictures changing only 1/3 of the aperture, the shade will change, and the same from one hour to another during the day if the white balance will not be correctly adjusted.
Regards,
Giovanni
It isn't the nicest shape I have seen, but I also would have said this was a late 19th/early 20th c vase judging but the colours used and the faces.
However, I don't understand that turquoise, either. It is very messily applied compared to the rest of the decoration - look at the attempts to create tree bark ie finer details. It makes me wonder why that is a mess and to be honest, why apply it at all?
Sorry, Giovanni, I posted without seeing your response. 😊
That explains why I didn't think much of the yenyen shape!
However, I don't understand that turquoise, either. It is very messily applied compared to the rest of the decoration - look at the attempts to create tree bark ie finer details. It makes me wonder why that is a mess and to be honest, why apply it at all?
Probably to hide a CHINA stamp. These marks were also scratched away sometimes by sellers in the 20th century so they could give the item a higher age.
Birgit
Hi Johnshoe,
Had a better look at your vase on a much larger screen.
I now backpeddle on my previous thoughts. It could be guangxu period or most likely republic period.
The bluish glaze really threw me when I was looking at it on my phone. Whether it has been drilled or simply a reglaze or other I really don't know. Perhaps if you can see inside it might hold some further answers for you.
Nice buy in my opinion. 😊
Mark
Interesting theories about the turquoise mess. I can tell from looking at the inside that no repair was done so it does not looked to have been lamped. The edging for the turquoise glaze actually looks precisely done in parts with a nice thick clean line around the base, but then it appears as though there may have been a spill mishap. Maybe that's all there is to it - just a simple accident during the glazing process?
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