BidAmount Asian Art News

Auctions Of Chinese and Asian Art, Auction Results News

  • Home
  • Weekly News Letter Page
  • The Forum
  • YouTube
  • plcombs Asian Art
    • Visit plcombs-Chinese-Asian Art
    • About, plcombs Chinese-Asian Art Antique Dealer | Massachusetts
  • About Us
  • Contact Us
  • A Few Site Pages
  • Recomended Books
  • Blog
  • Sign Up-Global Member Pages
  • Sign In-Global Member Pages
You are here: Home / The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art

The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art

The Chinese and Asian Art Forum. For Fans, Collectors and Dealers.


Asian art booksBasic Rules For the BidAmount Asian Art Forum:  Talk about whatever you want.  You can even discuss and offer things that are for sale if they are authentic.  Maximum image file  size per post is 2 MB. Images of 700pxl x 700pxl are optimal if saved at a medium resolution. Be respectful of others and enjoy yourself. Click the YouTube link for a brief tutorial on using the forum. You can also EMBED Videos by cutting and pasting from You-Tube,  Vimeo etc.  

NOTE: To post an item or add a new post, click open the category title from the FORUM LIST, and CLICK the Blue ADD TOPIC button. 

Forums
The FORUM List
Help Identify This
Hu dragon vase with...
 
Notifications
Clear all

Hu dragon vase with deer head handles

 
    Last Post
  RSS

 George Plamondon
(@georgeplamondon)
Active Member
Joined: 3 years ago
Posts: 2
Topic starter 01/10/2022 3:29 pm  

Hi, could you please help me identify this Hu Dragon vase with deer head handles. The vase is approximately 60cm in hight and I don't have better pictures. I don't know much about the history of the vase but the owner told me that it has been in the museum and that he bought it from a Chinese business owner who was in financial trouble in the 1960s... Would you be able to tell the approximate age and if it is a fake or a real. Any information might be helpful.

1
2
3
5
6
4
7
8
9
10

 

12
11

 


   
Shine reacted
Quote
Topic Tags
Dragon
 johnshoe
(@johnshoe)
Illustrious Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 4434
01/10/2022 4:48 pm  

Hi and welcome to the forum. The piece looks likely to be late 20th/21st C in my opinion, but let's see if others agree. At best someone might say it could be late 19th/early 20th, but I doubt it is. As for the story about its provenance, that sounds a bit suspect to me. What museum and what Chinese business owner specifically, did they say? Stories like this sometimes come with fakes. Also, is the person you bought it from a known reputable dealer of authentic items? If you haven't already done so, I'd recommend watching the videos Peter has done on the fakes industry. They are very revealing. At times they even superimpose pictures of modern fakes into old photographs. It's quite a racket.


   
Julia, Sharon P and Ming1449 reacted
ReplyQuote
Adams Asian Art
 Adams Asian Art
(@imperialfinegems)
Mark Adams
Joined: 7 years ago
Posts: 7017
01/10/2022 7:08 pm  

Its marked guangxu period 1875-1908. 

But would need clearer pictures of the  base, footrim and interior.

I suspect it's a later 20th century vase.

Mark 


   
Sharon P, Ming1449 and Julia reacted
ReplyQuote
 Julia
(@julia)
Illustrious Member
Joined: 7 years ago
Posts: 7232
02/10/2022 2:09 am  

Hi and welcome from me, too.

I agree with what has been said so far. That kind of story is a bit of a red flag when buying any antiques. May I ask how much is being asked and why it is being sold now?  It is a big vase and if genuine would bring a fair amount of money; the seller would be aware of that if the story were true.

I suspect a modern fake. Are the photos from the seller? It would explain why the base pictures are blurry. Can you ask for more?

The other thing I am uncomfortable with is the decoration. The dragon with waves is often seen on plates, I have not seen one like this, in those colours on a hu vase, but that may not be an issue, what bothers me more are the deer handles. Usually deer handles are on monochromes or hundred deer vases, they don't really fit so well with this.

Julia

 

 


   
Sharon P reacted
ReplyQuote
Shine
 Shine
(@shine)
Noble Member
Joined: 7 years ago
Posts: 871
02/10/2022 4:41 am  

It’s a large attractive piece,a lot of time spent painting it.

Marked Qianlong but no doubt less than 50 years old.

I have a small Hu Vase with Deer handles,oatmeal crackled glaze and blue and white warrior and maiden scene.

Vic.


   
Sharon P, Julia and Ming1449 reacted
ReplyQuote
 Ming1449
(@ming1449)
Illustrious Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 2704
02/10/2022 5:11 am  

Hi - and as with others welcome to this great forum  ...

Vic @shine is quite correct, six character Qianlong mark written in kaishu script, but your vase is not a from that reign period, 1736-96, but much later ...

The overall composition, red five-clawed dragons against blue waves, copies  known authentic 18th century examples, which are based upon early Ming precursors ...

I would concur with Johnshoe, Julia, Mark and Vic, late 20th century at best ...

Stuart 


   
Sharon P and Julia reacted
ReplyQuote
 Julia
(@julia)
Illustrious Member
Joined: 7 years ago
Posts: 7232
02/10/2022 5:37 am  

Sorry Vic, I didn't mean to imply the deer handles are not on other styles of decoration. It was poorly phrased: I simply meant that usually they look more in keeping with the overall design. On this vase, I find them distracting from what is otherwise a well-painted piece.  I think if this were a genuinely old item, the handles would have been more sympathetic to the overall look. 


   
Sharon P and Shine reacted
ReplyQuote
Shine
 Shine
(@shine)
Noble Member
Joined: 7 years ago
Posts: 871
02/10/2022 5:43 am  

@julia I mentioned it just in case someone comes across a piece and passes on it.

 

Vic


   
Sharon P and Julia reacted
ReplyQuote
avatar
 avatar
(@avatar)
Noble Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 1427
02/10/2022 8:12 am  

I'm I really the only one here who thinks the vase could be Guangxu period? If I was the owner I would probably send pict to Peter to get his opinion. But that's just me ...


   
ReplyQuote
Shinigami
 Shinigami
(@shinigami)
Illustrious Member
Joined: 7 years ago
Posts: 4843
02/10/2022 8:47 am  

Though the picture is out of focus, the footrim seem to be uneven and grubby. A Guangxu vase of that painting quality would have quality all over. The label is also suspicious, anyone with an old typewriter and a cup of black tea could produce it. It's a pity that someone who can paint a vase like that uses his talent for the production of fakes.

Birgit


   
Sharon P and Ming1449 reacted
ReplyQuote
 George Plamondon
(@georgeplamondon)
Active Member
Joined: 3 years ago
Posts: 2
Topic starter 02/10/2022 9:35 am  

Hi, thank you for all your answers. Here are the other pictures I received. The vase is on top of a bookshelf and very difficult to access. The seller who is in his 90s is not able to lift the vase and to take decent pictures. I'm wondering if it is worth to drive 8h to see the vase in person, if you guys think it is a fake. The dragon and the paintwork is absolutely beautiful and I have never seen a vase like this. He is asking for 15000$

1
2
8
5
4
9
6
3
7

 In addition, the same seller has other pieces like this ming vase which look very authentic to me (asking 750$):

vase 3
vase
vase 5
vase 2
vase 4

 Thank you,

George


   
Sharon P reacted
ReplyQuote
avatar
 avatar
(@avatar)
Noble Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 1427
02/10/2022 9:49 am  

$15,000 for a fake??? Now I'm even more in the belief that the vase is authentic ...

This post was modified 3 years ago by avatar

   
ReplyQuote
 johnshoe
(@johnshoe)
Illustrious Member
Joined: 6 years ago
Posts: 4434
02/10/2022 10:58 am  

@georgeplamondon I would  not buy either if these items. I don't think either one looks authentic.


   
Jeremy Beer reacted
ReplyQuote
Forum Jump:
  Previous Topic
Next Topic  
Related Topics
  • Guangxu dragon charger?
    8 months ago
  • Kangxi pieces? Two jars and one water dropper
    8 months ago
  • Need help with 20th c. Chinese mark
    1 year ago
  • Porcelain brown and celadon blue vase
    2 years ago
  • Japanese Baluster Porcelain Vase With Dragons Meiji? Signed On Base - Any Idea On Maker?
    3 years ago
Topic Tags:  Dragon (11) ,

Notice

Weekly Video’s on You Tube, Subscribe Today!

Bidamount on Youtube asian Art news

Hundreds of Online Auction Catalogs

Chinese Art Auction Catalogs

Blog Archive

Global Auction “member pages”, get them all in just one place.

chinese porcelain auctions

Join our weekly newsletter for current eBay Asian Art Listings

Newsletter Sign Up
For Email Newsletters you can trust.

Get Our Thoughts On Any Auction Listing Anywhere, BEFORE You Bid

asian art auction

Click to View the News Letter Page

Asian Art News

Recent Posts

  • Pierre Le-Tan Auction Chinese, Japanese and Islamic Art Paris
  • Investing in Chinese Art Versus Collecting Chinese Art
  • Later Chinese Bronzes of the Song to Qing Dynasty
  • Asia Week In New York City September 2020 The Auctions
  • Japanese and Chinese Art Collection of Brian Page At Ma San Auctioneers
  • Bidit Auctions Fakes of Chinese Art In Marietta Georgia | Opinion
Click Here
Share:
  Forum Statistics
8 Forums
12.3 K Topics
91 K Posts
40 Online
7,685 Members

Latest Post: London viewings - Bamboo and works of art Our newest member: Karen Schneider Recent Posts Unread Posts Tags

Forum Icons: Forum contains no unread posts Forum contains unread posts

Topic Icons: Not Replied Replied Active Hot Sticky Unapproved Solved Private Closed

Powered by wpForo  Powered by wpForo version 2.4.5

Super Globals

Options and Features



Thanks for visiting "The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art"

If you sell on eBay, or have a shop feel free to post images and descriptions and links.

Check back often for discussion about the latest news in the Chinese art and antique world. Also find out about the latest Asian art auctions at Sotheby's, Christie's, Bonhams and Tajans.

Auction results for: fine porcelain, ceramics, bronze, jade, textiles and scholar's objects.  As well as Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and other Asian cultures.

Thank you,

Peter Combs


Topics and categories on  The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art

Kangxi vases, Kangxi dishes and chargers, Kangxi ritual pieces, Kangxi scholar's objects, Qianlong famille rose, Qianlong enamels, Qianlong period paintings, Qianlong Emporer's court, Fine porcelain of the Yongzheng period. Chinese imperial art, Ming porcelain including Jiajing, Wanli, Xuande, Chenghua as well as Ming jades and bronzes. 

The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art

Join the BidAmount Chinese and Asian art discussion board and forum today

The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art

A free Asian art discussion board and Asian art message board for dealers and collectors of art and antiques from China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and the rest of Asia. Linked to all of the BidAmount Asian art reference areas, with videos from plcombs Asian Art and Bidamount on YouTube.  Sign up also for the weekly BidAmount newsletter and catalogs of active eBay listing of Chinese porcelain, bronze, jades, robes, and paintings. 

Ancient Chinese Art - Ancient History Encyclopedia

The art of calligraphy - and for the ancient Chinese it certainly was an art - aimed to demonstrate superior control and skill using brush and ink. Calligraphy established itself as one of the major Chinese art forms during the Han dynasty (206 BCE - 220 CE), and for two millennia after, all educated men were expected to be proficient at it.

Arts of Asia | The Museum of Fine Arts, Houston

The Museum’s collections of Asian art span nearly five millennia and encompass the cultures of China, the Himalayas, India, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia. In 2007, the Museum launched an initiative to create dedicated galleries for the collection, beginning with a gallery for the arts of Korea ...

Chinese Art: Characteristics, History - Art Encyclopedia

Chinese art is full of symbolism, in that artists typically seek to depict some aspect of a totality of which they are intuitively aware.

China Online Museum - Chinese Art Galleries: Home

China Online Museum is the finest online museum of Chinese art. It features Chinese calligraphy, painting, ceramics, bronzes, carving, and other artworks.

Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art | Christie's

Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art. Overview Upcoming auctions Contacts Auction results ... Christie’s sales of Chinese ceramics and works of art showcase centuries of Chinese history. Held throughout the year in London, New York, Paris and Hong Kong, they attract a wide audience of collectors and connoisseurs vying for pieces as diverse as ...

Fine Chinese Paintings | Christie's

Explore Asian Art Week. Contact the Specialist Department. Chinese Paintings ... Senior Specialist, Head of Sale. [email protected]. Tel:+1 212 641 5760. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 September 2019 at New York. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 ...

Asian Art Week | New York | September 2019 | Christie's

Discover an abundance of must-see art from all corners of a vast continent at Christie’s NY Asian Art Week. From contemporary classical and Chinese paintings to works with exemplary provenance from the Art Institute of Chicago, our Rockefeller Paza galleries will be full of ancient treasures and contemporary masterworks in a salute to the vibrant arts of Asia.

Chinese Art from The Art Institute of Chicago | Christie's

Sold to benefit The Art Institute of Chicago’s Asian Art Acquisition Fund, the sale features 84 lots with a focus on Ming and Qing porcelains, and offers a rare insight into the taste for collecting Chinese ceramics and works of art in the Midwest from the end of the 19th century through the 1980s. Highlights include two Wanli wucai garlic-head vases, a Qianlong mark and period, blue and ...

Chinese Art in Hong Kong: A Brief ... - Christie's Education

Specialist, Chinese Paintings, Christie's London Dr Malcolm McNeill is a Specialist in Chinese Paintings at Christie’s, based in London. He previously worked as an assistant curator of the Chinese collections and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, as a researcher at the British Museum, and as a translator and tour guide at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.

The Christie's Education 2020 Conference: The Chinese Art ...

The Christie's Education 2020 Conference: The Chinese Art Market 18 Jun 2019 Christie’s Education is delighted to announce our first international academic conference in Asia which will take place in Hong Kong from 26-27 November 2020 at the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and will run in parallel with Christie’s Hong Kong Autumn Auctions.

Chinese Art | Sotheby's

The summer Chinese Art sale in Hong Kong will feature works of art from several private collections, including Qing porcelains and textile from the collection of the legendary Chinese art dealer A. W. Bahr (1877–1959), fine gilt bronze Buddhist sculptures from an old Hong Kong collection, an East Asian collection of Qing dynasty wine cups and jades, and a Japanese collection of Song ceramics ...

Chinese Art Auctions - Chinese Paintings ... - Sothebys.com

Sotheby's Chinese Works of Art Department holds two auctions each year in London, New York, Hong Kong and Paris.

Chinese Art | Sotheby's

Chinese Art - View Auction details, bid, buy and collect the various artworks at Sothebys Art Auction House.

Important Chinese Art | Sotheby's

With more than 340 Chinese works of art dating from the Neolithic to the Republic periods, highlights of this sale include a selection of Qing Imperial monochromes from the collection of Arnold and Blema Steinberg, early ceramics from the Art Institute of Chicago and Chinese porcelain and works of art from the collection of Henry Arnhold.

Important Chinese Art | Sotheby's

Results: Sotheby's Asia Week achieved $52.4 million in six strong auctions, exceeding pre-sale estimates. With 76.5% of lots sold and 60.3% of lots surpassing high estimates, the Asian art sales at Sotheby's indicate continued collector interest in the finest works of art from China, India and and the Himalayas.

Important Chinese Art | Sotheby's

Today's sale of Important Chinese Art will proceed as planned with sessions at 10 AM and 2 PM EDT. Sotheby's will be monitoring the weather conditions throughout the day and will be available to coordinate alternative bidding options should conditions make it difficult for clients to attend the auction in person.

Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art

Bonhams Chinese Art department is renowned for offering the finest works of art representing the richness and breadth of China's artistic heritage, particularly Imperial porcelain, white and spinach green jades, cloisonné and Buddhist art. Specialised international auctions are held globally, including London, Hong Kong and San Francisco.

Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art

Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.

Bonhams : Fine Chinese Paintings and Works of Art

Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Chinese Art (US) General enquiries

Bonhams : Fine Chinese Art

Bonhams : Fine Chinese Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.

Bonhams : Asian Art

Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars Bonhams : Asian Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site.

Bonhams | Asian Art in London

Bonhams are international auctioneers of fine Chinese and Japanese art. We specialise in rare Imperial and Export Chinese ceramics and works of art, as well as Japanese ceramics, fine and decorative works of art from the Neolithic Period to the 20th century. View on map

Bonhams : Asian Art

Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Asian Art Bonhams. Work. 22 Queen St.

Bidamount is a member of the eBay partner network, eBay is a registered trademark of eBay Inc. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of the Bidamount User Agreement and Privacy Policy. Bidamount, 185 Main Street Suite B., Gloucester, Ma. all content © 2006–2025

proudly powered by WordPress | web design by smallfish-design

‹›×

    ‹›×