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Hi, could you please help me identify this Hu Dragon vase with deer head handles. The vase is approximately 60cm in hight and I don't have better pictures. I don't know much about the history of the vase but the owner told me that it has been in the museum and that he bought it from a Chinese business owner who was in financial trouble in the 1960s... Would you be able to tell the approximate age and if it is a fake or a real. Any information might be helpful.
Hi and welcome to the forum. The piece looks likely to be late 20th/21st C in my opinion, but let's see if others agree. At best someone might say it could be late 19th/early 20th, but I doubt it is. As for the story about its provenance, that sounds a bit suspect to me. What museum and what Chinese business owner specifically, did they say? Stories like this sometimes come with fakes. Also, is the person you bought it from a known reputable dealer of authentic items? If you haven't already done so, I'd recommend watching the videos Peter has done on the fakes industry. They are very revealing. At times they even superimpose pictures of modern fakes into old photographs. It's quite a racket.
Hi and welcome from me, too.
I agree with what has been said so far. That kind of story is a bit of a red flag when buying any antiques. May I ask how much is being asked and why it is being sold now? It is a big vase and if genuine would bring a fair amount of money; the seller would be aware of that if the story were true.
I suspect a modern fake. Are the photos from the seller? It would explain why the base pictures are blurry. Can you ask for more?
The other thing I am uncomfortable with is the decoration. The dragon with waves is often seen on plates, I have not seen one like this, in those colours on a hu vase, but that may not be an issue, what bothers me more are the deer handles. Usually deer handles are on monochromes or hundred deer vases, they don't really fit so well with this.
Julia
Hi - and as with others welcome to this great forum ...
Vic @shine is quite correct, six character Qianlong mark written in kaishu script, but your vase is not a from that reign period, 1736-96, but much later ...
The overall composition, red five-clawed dragons against blue waves, copies known authentic 18th century examples, which are based upon early Ming precursors ...
I would concur with Johnshoe, Julia, Mark and Vic, late 20th century at best ...
Stuart
Sorry Vic, I didn't mean to imply the deer handles are not on other styles of decoration. It was poorly phrased: I simply meant that usually they look more in keeping with the overall design. On this vase, I find them distracting from what is otherwise a well-painted piece. I think if this were a genuinely old item, the handles would have been more sympathetic to the overall look.
I'm I really the only one here who thinks the vase could be Guangxu period? If I was the owner I would probably send pict to Peter to get his opinion. But that's just me ...
Though the picture is out of focus, the footrim seem to be uneven and grubby. A Guangxu vase of that painting quality would have quality all over. The label is also suspicious, anyone with an old typewriter and a cup of black tea could produce it. It's a pity that someone who can paint a vase like that uses his talent for the production of fakes.
Birgit
Hi, thank you for all your answers. Here are the other pictures I received. The vase is on top of a bookshelf and very difficult to access. The seller who is in his 90s is not able to lift the vase and to take decent pictures. I'm wondering if it is worth to drive 8h to see the vase in person, if you guys think it is a fake. The dragon and the paintwork is absolutely beautiful and I have never seen a vase like this. He is asking for 15000$
In addition, the same seller has other pieces like this ming vase which look very authentic to me (asking 750$):
Thank you,
George
$15,000 for a fake??? Now I'm even more in the belief that the vase is authentic ...
@georgeplamondon I would not buy either if these items. I don't think either one looks authentic.
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